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How to Flash Point Like A Pro (Leveling Version) [partial content]

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How to Flash Point Like A Pro (Leveling Version) [partial content]

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Radka
12.17.2013 , 10:25 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post

You should know who to Guard and always do it. Guard reduces threat and incoming damage for the person you've guarded. Typically this will be the Healer
and what about no? always guard dps with highest damage aka second person on threat list, there are excuses ofc, like second part of TFB fight always guard healers there, but flashpoints? well, no...only if your dps are really, really bad, then you might guard healer and if I meet another healer who cries for guard bye, bye...
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12.17.2013 , 10:28 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Radka View Post
and what about no? always guard dps with highest damage aka second person on threat list, there are excuses ofc, like second part of TFB fight always guard healers there, but flashpoints? well, no...only if your dps are really, really bad, then you might guard healer and if I meet another healer who cries for guard bye, bye...
We just went over this already, it has been discussed and changed enough that it gets the correct information out there.
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Radka
12.17.2013 , 10:33 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Indignatron View Post
We just went over this already, it has been discussed and changed enough that it gets the correct information out there.
Well, I just got back from work and wanted to say what I think about it. I couldnt posted it sooner.
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Indignatron
12.17.2013 , 10:37 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Radka View Post
Well, I just got back from work and wanted to say what I think about it. I couldnt posted it sooner.
I apologize if I came off as rude, it wasn't my intent and I didn't notice until I read that post back. Sorry about that.
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12.17.2013 , 02:59 PM | #25
Some comments:
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FLASH POINT: Hammer Station

BOSS: DN-314 Tunneler

General: Avoid but otherwise ignore the adds.

Healer: If you have a Cleanse, use it on the Tank when the boss's laser gets him to 10 stacks of whatever his debuff is. If you don't have a Cleanse, then start casting heals when the boss starts with his laser.
Stacks are only on Hardmode. You just get a debuff on storymode while you are targeted with the laser.

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FLASH POINT: Mandalorian Raiders

BOSS: Republic | Imperial Boarding Party

Strategy: The easiest strategy is to get everyone into a corner at the bottom of the ramp to LoS the group. Tank taunts the Sent/Mara and hides in the corner. All 4 baddies group up right there for an AoE Damage Dealer party. None of them can be Crowd Controlled.
Can't these guys be cc'ed on story mode? Not sure about this.
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FLASH POINT: Taral V

BOSS: Lord Hasper

Bonus boss.

Mechanics: When he pulls you in, he's going to unleash a terribly damaging AoE. Run away when he pulls you in, run back when his lightning storm ends.
Another tactics is that after three channels you hide behind a pillar to prevent yourself from being pulled.
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BOSS: PD-44

BOSS: General Edikar

Skippable.
PD-44 is skippable, but not General Edikar. They changed that in a patch.
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Fidelicatessen
12.17.2013 , 09:00 PM | #26
This is a fantastic guide for newbs. I'll be pointing newbs I meet to this thread.

I've voted it 5 stars. I hope it gets stickied.

Nice compromise re. Guard instructions, as well.

THANK YOU DARTH THC!

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slafko
12.18.2013 , 04:32 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Pjats View Post
Can't these guys be cc'ed on story mode? Not sure about this.
Can we agree that LOS pulls are a tool to be used when the party isn't geared and experienced? Even then I would argue that the tank can easily hold aggro on all four baddies right where they've spawned. Makes AoE nuking a lot easier and the fight much faster.

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12.18.2013 , 05:28 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by slafko View Post
Can we agree that LOS pulls are a tool to be used when the party isn't geared and experienced? Even then I would argue that the tank can easily hold aggro on all four baddies right where they've spawned. Makes AoE nuking a lot easier and the fight much faster.
I think LOS pulling might be a topic for a more advanced guide--this is just trying to train people not to suck, not trying to teach them advanced tactics like LOS pulling.

I find it useful at times, but I also find it a pain having to explain it to newbs who will nod and smile when I ask them to sit tight and don't move from this spot, then follow me into the room as I pull. So I guess maybe it might be a nice addition to this guide, but I'm afraid of adding too much complexity, as the beauty of this guide is its simplicity.

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fire-breath
12.18.2013 , 05:59 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Indignatron View Post
I get what you're saying in general and I can pretty well agree with this early on in FPs up until around the point where you get an AoE taunt and on. From that point on, I definitely do not believe the healer should be the one guarded because by then you have a lot more of your AoE aggro generating skills and the healer shouldn't be drawing any regardless of the DPS screwing up since you should ideally have some form of control on them from your AoE sources and AoE taunting (and one would also hope by now the healer realized the talent in their tree for reducing the threat gained from healing is vital). Like PlasmaJohn said, if there is no one else in the threat table of course the healer is going to pull and a Guard is not going to do anything to stop it, you need to be more mobile or the DPS need to adjust their tunnel vision.
1st of all. I dont support guarding healers for aggro generating purposes. I believe that you should be able to hold aggro without guarding someone. I use guarding mainly for the damagereduction. If you lose aggro on a dps I would investigate why you lose aggro and change the rotation accordingly.

I mean more the situations where you have multiple ranged mobs spread around 30 meters from each other. A perfect example would be directive 7. At the cyborgmini boss you get loads of adds coming from all sides. You have only 1 pull which you should use to pull in the silver droid. This example is not entirely correct since in this case the dps needs to nuke the elite cyborg first and I could changetaunt it to hold aggro. But it demonstrates well a situation where I can't break off the maintargets to gain aggro of all surrounding mobs. They are spread to far to gain AoE aggro.

In these cases I rather use guard on the healer, not to reduce their aggro
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slafko
12.18.2013 , 06:00 AM | #30
I don't consider LOS to be an advanced tactic. It seems defeatist to me and, when I'm being especially mean, I tend to cal lit „frenchway“. LOS is basically a „we'll just squat here and hope no one attacks us“ and reminds me so much of the Maginot line „tactics“. I'm more into aggressive and swiftly executed offensive moves than cowering in fear of getting hit by a stray blaster bolt.