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I wont buy another gametime card, seemsi quit swtor

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Tsillah
12.15.2013 , 02:18 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Justbee View Post
2 Years have passed sind SWTOR was released. Doing a summary shows what we get in this period:

- 1 new planet, with a little basic q line, and some mini qs for both factions.
- 1 new warzone and arenas in pvp
- some cm stuff fur rp players emotes and dye modules
- 2 returning events (gree/bounty) and 2 one-time events (raks n chevin)
- a ****load of new boring meaningless daily quest hubs
- 5 New Ops (i dont considers goldenfury as an extra op...)
First of all BW did really poorly in the first year and we know this. But the second year is very different. For that reason the two year overview is not a fair assessment of the game today.

We actually have 2 new planets. Makeb and Oricon.
PvP did get very little but with GS a big PvP element has been added and leaderboards are now there at least. All recent changes.
I find that there are enough events. I hate games like GW2 that seem to revolve around nothing but events.
I like that there's a choice in dailies so I can choose the ones I like and leave the ones I don't
4 of the 5 ops were added this year. That's all I have to say about that.

This is the point. All that stuff that you listed and you say other games get in less than a year, we actually got in less than a year.

I agree that the first year was bad but they've turned things around and things are much better for this game this year and I expect that to continue.

Personally I like GS and it's a lot more complex than I realised it would be but fun. Sorry you don't like it but that doesn't discount it, but I do think that this year has proven a very different year for SWTOR and I am enjoying GS and looking forward to the 2 events running as of tuesday and still busy with operations and leveling toons.

I think we just need to collectively get over the bad first year and start looking at the game as it was this year. Yes it was bad, this year is better. Stop living in the past.
Et In Gehenna Vixi...

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Sahee
12.15.2013 , 02:20 PM | #42
4 Pages about this guy leaving SWTOR? Who cares!
SWTOR is a game... if you are not having fun while you are playing it... than stop playing it!

I bought the SWTOR CE but stopped playing after the free month (dez 2011) because I felt that the game was unfinished, 2 years later I do have the opinion that the game is finally showing real quality, which is the reason why I bought a gamecard and I'm playing several toons at the moment. SWTOR is not a F2P game in my opinion, there are to many restrictions and I would not have fun playing the game as a F2P (preferred access) player. I'm currently paying 5 per month, which is a total bargain.

Things about SWTOR which I love:
The Story for example... absolutely gorgeous.
Galactic Starfigther is a nice addition and after getting used to it, it is actually quite a lot of fun.
Warzones, especially Arena 4vs4 are entertaining.
The game is challenging, even in the leveling phase... can't wait to try out some raids.
I'm looking forward to the fact that Bioware does not allow mods to be installed which would make raids a borefest, which I know from WoW... where raiding has no sense anymore aside from looting... no challenge, as the Mods do the work.

There are so many things which I have not even reached yet and this game is at least worth another ~200 hours of entertaining fun... and afterwards, well... life goes on. I do have the opinion that SWTOR is moving in the right direction and Bioware has redeemed itself, at least in my opinion... as I was really disappointed of the state of the game after it was released in december 2011. I've played many MMO's in the past years and SWTOR has the best questing/leveling phase among all of them, combined with the legacy and the option to play both factions in a single legacy, the replayability of the questing zones is very high.

Allright... what I wanted to say is: STOP WHINING.
If you have any suggestions... than post them in the suggestions section... but please do not use the General Discussion section for your personal goodbye letter which nobody wants to read aside from yourself. bye.
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Hezip
12.15.2013 , 02:31 PM | #43
I've played for nearly 2 years as well,

There are only 3 things keeping me into this game...
1.Star wars ( i'm a big fan )
2.The guild, we're good friends in there
3.Hope for this game

After that list i really realised that this game is not like star wars anymore especially not like an MMO in which i can sit and enjoy upgrading my characters and actaully doing something apart from PvP and OPS :/

''Star Wars:The Cartel Market'' is more like it.. Unfourtunetaly.

I don't care if the cartel market saved the game or not, it has gotten way out of hand.I remember the good days in which as a sub i could have everything i wanted to if i tried to get it and to get good looking gear i had to get it crafted or farm it somewhere now its just the CM..

To anyone that will say : ''Don't liek it don't buy it'' or ''wait for you monthly CC grant'' ...
Don't be ignorant because i DO like alot of the items in the CM and the monthly grant is a joke anyways, 600CC a month ( security key )..really? thats only unlocking 1 super rare item in your collectibles every 30 days or buying 1-2 packs.Yes, I have spent money on the CM before and yes it was MY choice.I hope that soon SWTOR will finnaly step up or that it bankrupts all-together and we get another Star wars game which was sandbox, just like SWG

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DarthDymond
12.15.2013 , 03:40 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by OddballEasyEight View Post
Well... since the OP likes to make comparisons between this game and WoW, let's go all the way shall we?

WoW had its first expansion released 2+ years after its release.
It included:
2 New Races.
Max level increased with 10 lvls.
1 New "Planet".
8 Dungeons
1 New battleground for PvP
3 arenas.

So basically that's what you got for 2+ years of development.

If you ask me, SW:TOR is doing just fine with its content.
That's pretty inaccurate, since during the first two years before the expansion was released WoW also put out:
5 Raids:
Blackwing Lair (1.6)
Zul'Gurub (1.7)
Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj (1.9)
Temple of Ahn'Qiraj (1.9)
Naxxramas (1.11)

4 Dungeons:
Maraudon (1.2)
Dire Maul East (1.3)
Dire Maul West (1.3)
Dire Maul North (1.3)

3 One-Time Events:
Gates of Ahn'Qiraj (1.9)
Scourge Invasion (1.11)
Opening the Dark Portal (2.0)

3 Annual Events:

Feast of the Winter Veil (1.2)
Children's Week (1.4)
Hallows End (1.8)

3 Reoccuring Events:

Elemental Invasions (1.4)
Darkmoon Faire (1.6)
Stranglethron Fishing Extravaganza (1.7)

6 World Bosses:
Azurgos (1.3)
Lord Kazzak (1.3)
Lethon (1.8)
Emeriss (1.8)
Ysondre (1.8)
Taerar (1.8)

3 Battlegrounds:

Warsong Gulch (1.5)
Alterac Valley (1.5)
Arathi Basin (1.7)

4 Quest Hubs:
Thorium Point (1.5)
Revantusk Village (1.5)
Silithus (complete zone revamp) (1.8)
Light's Hope Chapel (1.11)

Various Quality of Life/Other:

Significant UI improvements (1.3)
Weather (1.10)
Cross-Realm Battlegrounds (1.12)
Given the choice whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire or to challenge the fates for another throw, a better throw, against one's destiny, what was a king to do?
But does one ever truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of fate, and thus defy the tyrannous stars.
~Kain

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DarthDymond
12.15.2013 , 03:54 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Justbee View Post
2 Years have passed sind SWTOR was released. Doing a summary shows what we get in this period:

- 1 new planet, with a little basic q line, and some mini qs for both factions.
- 1 new warzone and arenas in pvp
- some cm stuff fur rp players emotes and dye modules
- 2 returning events (gree/bounty) and 2 one-time events (raks n chevin)
- a ****load of new boring meaningless daily quest hubs
- 5 New Ops (i dont considers goldenfury as an extra op...)

well in most other mmos u get this amount of content in less than a year...
All in the presentation I guess, but since I posted this just yesterday I may as well link it here: a rundown of what we've seen added just since F2P last november, including how frequently they've been coming out:
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
I happened to have a pretty full rundown of the content that's been released since Free to Play started last November from an older post of mine, just to give you an idea of what's been added and how frequently:
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November 15, 2012: Update 1.5: HK-51 Activated:
-Brand new Level 50 Daily Quest area (Section X) with multiple new solo and group quests.
-New World-boss (Dreadtooth) with scaling difficulty
-New quest-line involving a new location (and some variety of gameplay mechanics) to get a new DPS companion (HK-51) for all classes.
(Nightmare mode Explosive Conflict also added)

December 11, 2012: Update 1.6: Ancient Hypergate: (4 weeks after 1.5)
-Brand new Warzone (Ancient Hypergate) added
(Heroic Difficulty Space Missions also added)

February 12, 2013: Update 1.7: Return of the Gree: (9 weeks after 1.6, with X-mas/New Years in between)
-Brand new reoccurring World Event (Relics of the Gree) that involved totally changing an area of Ilum and introduced new solo and group quests available during the Event.
-New Operations level instanced World boss (Xenoanalyst II) available during the Event.
-2 new level 55 World Bosses available during the Event.
(Reputation system also added)
(Failed attempt to Open-World PVP added as part of the Event)

April 9(/14): Update 2.0: Scum and Villainy/Rise of the Hutt Cartel: (8-1/2 weeks after 1.7)
-New Planet with 2 storylines worth of quests, plus Macro-binocular and Seeker droid quest lines.
-2 new sets of Daily Quests (Makeb Dailies and GSI Dailies with associated Reputations)
-5 new levels with additional class abilities and revamped skill trees.
-New Operations level instanced World Boss (Toborro's Courtyard)
-New Operation (Scum and Villainy) with 7 bosses (up from 5 bosses in previous Ops)
(Also added level 55 Hard Modes for 4 existing flashpoints)
(Also added the heavily bugged Achievement system)

May 14: Update 2.1: Customization: (4 weeks after RotHC's general release)
-Fluff added (that included a new race and long-asked-for armor dye and barber-shop/species change options)

June 12: Update 2.2: Operation: Nightmare: (4 weeks after 2.1; 8 weeks after RotHC's general release)
-Nightmare Mode difficulty for Terror From Beyond Operation
-(Nightmare Mode for Scum and Villainy Operation released in Update 2.2.2 on July 10)

August 6: Update 2.3: Titans of Industry: (8 weeks after 2.2)
-Brand new Level 55 Daily Quest area (CZ-198) with multiple solo quests
-2 brand new Flashpoints (Czerka Corporate Labs and Czerka Core Meltdown) with Normal and Hard Modes.
-Brand new Monthly Reoccurring Event (Bounty Contract Week) added for levels 15 and up.
-Brand new Tank/Heals companion (Treek) available for all classes

October 1: Update 2.4: The Dread War: (8 weeks after 2.3)
-3 Brand new Warzone "Arenas" (Corellia, Tatooine, and Orbital Station) with new 4v4 Deathmatch style play.
-Brand new Level 55 Daily Quest area (Oricon) with multiple solo quests and a Heroic group quest.
-2 Brand new Operations (Dread Fortress and Dread Palace) with 5 bosses each - Story Mode and Hard Mode

December 3: Update 2.5: Galactic Starfighter Early Access: (9 weeks after 2.4)
-1 Brand new Warzone Arena (Makeb) for 4v4 Deathmatch mode.
-Subscribers gain access to brand new Galactic Startfighter game mode, 12v12 PVP free-flight space combat available for all levels with new progression and customization systems for starfighters.
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If FPs, Dailies, and Raids really don't do anything for you, I can't really blame you for not being a huge fan of this game - but there's a lot more content we've been getting than your post makes it seem.

And on the story front, the daily areas in Black Hole, Section X, and Oricon have all had pretty nice little storylines to them, (CZ-198 was more 'meh',) so its not like the story just came to a dead stop with Makeb.
Given the choice whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire or to challenge the fates for another throw, a better throw, against one's destiny, what was a king to do?
But does one ever truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of fate, and thus defy the tyrannous stars.
~Kain

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Callaron
12.15.2013 , 03:56 PM | #46
Part of what slowed the update process down was the conversion to F2P - in the months leading up to it the development got really, really bogged down... with Makeb getting postponed for a long time along with the Cathar species.
And they also made a bunch of QoL improvements during that time; like the much needed Groupfinder.
They seem to be on track again though when it comes to updates, even if those don't always appeal to me personally.
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Elfa
12.15.2013 , 03:58 PM | #47
The real question is how much of that content is still relevant to a level 55 player in full 78 gear?
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DarthDymond
12.15.2013 , 04:07 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Elfa View Post
The real question is how much of that content is still relevant to a level 55 player in full 78 gear?
If all you care about in your MMOs is max-level, max-geared content, then there are definitely better games out there to fit your play-style.

There's a good amount of stuff to do here at max level, WZs (ranked and unranked), GSF, Operations; the new Daily Areas and FPs are worth running through as they come out to see the story content; Rep grinding if you're a completionist or want a specific reward.

But this game has always put a lot of its heart and soul into the leveling experience as well - that's what makes it stand out from other MMOs, and I think they've been fairly up front about that fact.
Given the choice whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire or to challenge the fates for another throw, a better throw, against one's destiny, what was a king to do?
But does one ever truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of fate, and thus defy the tyrannous stars.
~Kain

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Jacen_Starsolo
12.15.2013 , 04:18 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Lesaberisa View Post
Oricon is a moon, as well
That's no moon.

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Arunas
12.16.2013 , 02:15 AM | #50
You have to remember that they lost a lot of developers, including most story writers. Most of the new content were in development even before F2P, there were hints at this in leftover dialogue and such people found when data-mining the client. Some of the new content like the Czerka planet and new operations were made recently and is of lower quality.

Therefore they have two choices, hire more devs and churn out more content (but unlikely to have continuation of class stories for obv reasons) or milk more money with cartel market.

The game had 500k paying subs this May per EA report but it remains to be seen how much of this number will remain in Spring 2014 so the future of the game will be determined with their further actions that year.