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An in-depth look at combat: General Grievous

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An in-depth look at combat: General Grievous

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Beniboybling
11.30.2013 , 03:11 PM | #1
"Unstoppable. He is unstoppable." ~ K'Kruhk

Height: 2.16 meters

Weight: 159 kilograms

Physicality: Grievous was a Kaleesh cyborg whose entire body, save his organs and eyes, has been replaced with mechanical parts made from duranium alloy, an extremely durable material capable of withstanding blaster shots, electro-staff shocks and glancing blows from a lightsaber, though could be cut by such a weapon.

His mechanised form granted him immense strength and agility, capable of lifting up a fully grown human male with an arm - or a foot - with extreme ease and attacking with as many as twenty strikes per second. His six-fingered arms could split into two giving Grievous the ability to use four limbs to either wield lightsabers or considerably improve his speed, and his hands could spin in 360 degree motions as well as his torso. His legs were fitted with repulsorlifts making him capable of jumping considerably distances and having his feet double as hands. He was also capable of surviving hard vacuum thanks to his protective gutsacks.

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Melee Abilities


Grievous was trained by Count Dooku in all seven forms of lightsaber combat, excluding Vaapad, and developed him own unorthodox fighting style that incorporated all seven forms of lightsaber combat and played to the strengths of his physical capabilities. His style involved rapid flurries from multiple angles, powerful hacking attacks, four pronged needle strikes and whirlwinds of lacerating energy which he created by spinning his hands and torso - sometimes simultaneously - in a buzz saw like action. And while Dooku criticized him for lacking finesse he displayed remarkable fluidity and precision. His rotatable wrists afforded him excellent agility, and made him capable of blocking the attacks of his enemies with efficiency and ease. Combined with his multiple appendages he was capable of cycling through various attack sequences with remarkable speed, having no need to perform complex maneuvers or realign his position. Grievous was also very fast, easily capable of keeping up with and sometimes outperforming his opponents.

Aside for lightsaber abilities Grievous was also capable of performing more physical melee attacks, often grappling his opponents with a claw or a foot and tossing them to the ground sometimes in congruence with his lightsaber sequence – making him all the more unpredictable.

Ranged Abilities

As a Kaleesh warrior Grievous became an excellent marksman, however upon becoming a cyborg he rarely resorted to such tactics. Though on one occasion used it to catch his enemy off-guard within the midst of a lightsaber duel.

Other Abilities

Grievous’ improved cognitive abilities allowed him to analyse his opponent’s attacks in the midst of combat and respond to them by performing complex algorithms in his brain. This proved effective even against Mace Windu’s highly erratic and rapid Vaapad style. Grievous also had duracord tendrils secreted in his arms which once electrified could incapacitate his opponents in a stun net.

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Strengths


Grievous’ greatest strength is his unorthodoxy. Against unprepared opponents, Grievous dominates. His style is entirely alien to contemporary lightsaber duelists and eschews convention, most therefore find themselves incapable of mounting an effective defence or offense. This is most potently demonstrated when he was first unleashed upon the Jedi during the Battle of Hypori – proving that even skilled Jedi Masters such as Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi had little against the abnormalities of his techniques. Such an advantage is comparable to the style of Exar Kun which likewise used an unorthodox style to confuse and swiftly overwhelm his opponents.

Coupled with this is his remarkable flexibility afforded by the unique capabilities of his body, quadruple appendages, rotatable wrists, repulsorlift feet and advanced cognitive abilities make him able to exploit all and any weaknesses his enemy might reveal. Therefore in combat his preferred and most effective technique is simply to overwhelm his opponent, sowing confusion with his extraordinary style before capitalising on his opponents own flaws. All of which he is able to exploit unlike other duelists restricted to the particular moves, maneuvers and objectives of their own styles Grievous is capable of exploring multiple avenues of attack, one of which is bound to produce results.

Weaknesses

Grievous’ ability to exploit the weaknesses of his opponents also becomes a dependency, and therefore falters against those who simple don’t have flaws in their defense or are otherwise capable of exploiting the specific weaknesses in his own form and/or handling the unorthodoxy of his style. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Kit Fisto are among the few who possess these capabilities, Kenobi’s use of pure Soresu against Grievous not only made him capable of processing the intricacies of his opponents form, but recognising and exploiting its weaknesses, and ultimately creating a defence with no weaknesses of its own. Whereas the simplicity of Fisto’s style allowed him to place greater concentration on handling Grievous’ own style, with the dubious possibility of Shii-Cho’s advantages against multiple opponents proving effective against Grievous’ multiple lightsabers.

Grievous also suffers from extreme arrogance, often underestimating his opponents to the point of being overcome by them. This is specifically evident in his duels against Asajj Ventress and the Gungan Warriors, both of which he underestimated and as a result put little effort into his engagements with them, performing notably sloppy and brutish attacks and leaving large openings for his opponents to exploit. He also often fails to exploit the vulnerabilities of his own opponents in favour of gloating and mockery, allowing them to recover.

He was also notably weak against Force-based attacks, having no means of defending himself against such powers. Often Grievous would find himself slammed against walls or otherwise thrown back forcing him into retreat or giving his opponents the opportunity to exploit a weaknesses or otherwise recover and prepare a defence.

Finally, Grievous' body being mainly mechanical, he is considerably vulnerable against ion weaponry.

Counter-Strengths

Unfortunately for Grievous, these weaknesses are most damning in his effectiveness against Jedi and he has few counter strengths. In the words of Count Dooku “you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. But if any one element is lacking it would be best for you to retreat.” And indeed is Grievous finds any of the above weaknesses stacked against him, retreat is the best option.

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Quotes, Clips and Scans

Grievous managed to hold his own against Mace Windu by replicating his extremely complex style:

His sole setting was attack. Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough...

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

Grievous' flurries proved so intense that he almost overwhelmed Kenobi in their opening bout:

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks—sixteen per second, eighteen—until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Grievous demonstrates the devastating effectiveness of his unorthodox style:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4&t=3m17s

Grievous uses his physical capabilities to subdue Kenobi... before proceeding to gloat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn7o_Cz9rVs&t=0m39s

Grievous exploits a saber lock to kill Nahdar Vebb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjbBNQiS0s&t=0m44s

Grievous demonstrates his incredible strength:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkZwDy-PwM&t=0m11s

Grievous endures an explosion and take no damage:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1BqZzIWSW0&t=2m45s

Thoughts: Grievous is arguably the most powerful non-Force sensitive in galactic history and certainly the most effective Jedi killer. Against Jedi he is often underestimated but we mustn't forget the massive advantage that this unorthodox gives him against even the most skilled of duelists. Here's also hoping this will help us make sense of the discrepancies in Grievous' combat abilities across the forms of media he's appeared in.

If you've got any suggestions for future in-depths or any quotes, clips or scans to add feel free to post below.

And as always thoughts and opinions are welcome!

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Beniboybling
11.30.2013 , 03:11 PM | #2
For those who are interested, I'd like to elaborate on the effects of overconfidence on Grievous' style.

To do so we should observe the following videos:

Here, in his duel against Jedi Master and Council Member Eeth Koth he uses a series of intricate attacks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VHkNU8whzc&t=1m25s

And here against Kit Fisto he does the same:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-t9GlT9qmk&t=0m13s

Yet here, against Sith Acolyte and 'underling' Asajj Ventress his attacks are notably more sloppy, to the point where he forgoes all aspects of his refined technique and engages in an all-out slugging match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF97aJO7MuM&t=0m27s

And of course, the infamous Gungan Encounter... just look at those arms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i58PZvhjQ9o&t=0m43s


The contrast is nothing short of shocking. Notice how in the first two Grievous not only constantly rotates his body and limbs and altogether applies his full capabilities, and attacks multiple zones in rapid succession, yet in the second two applies the same slashing attacks again and again, making no effort to utitlise the advantage of unorthodoxy and willing castrating himself purely out of arrogance. Heck, even his whirly blade of doom move looks notably more sloppy when applied against Ventress in comparison to Fisto. And it is clear that he underestimated both Ventress and the Gungans:

"I've always been greater than you!"

"[Laughing] [More Laughing] You can't be serious!"


Whereas against highly skilled Jedi Council members, he has reasons to go all out. Its certainly a damning weakness of Grievous' and its effect should not be underestimated. In full fighting shape he would have likely massacred the Gungans, and his engagement with Ventress would have at least been significantly longer.

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11.30.2013 , 03:52 PM | #3
I was hoping you would do a Grievous thread eventually. This was very much needed, especially for people who like to say "lolz gungans"

Great work once again.
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Beniboybling
11.30.2013 , 03:56 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I was hoping you would do a Grievous thread eventually. This was very much needed, especially for people who like to say "lolz gungans"

Great work once again.
Lolz Gungans indeed...

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11.30.2013 , 09:46 PM | #5
Grievous thinks he is awesome at duels but most of the time he gets his *** handed to him. When he does win at a duel however it is mostly because he cheats as seen in his duels with Ethe Koth (I probably spelled his name wrong). Grievous also cheated in his fight with Ventress. Overall Grievous is a better General than he is a lightsaber combat specialist.
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Beniboybling
12.01.2013 , 05:15 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by fdbgjfdhjgkjdhsg View Post
Grievous thinks he is awesome at duels but most of the time he gets his *** handed to him. When he does win at a duel however it is mostly because he cheats as seen in his duels with Ethe Koth (I probably spelled his name wrong). Grievous also cheated in his fight with Ventress. Overall Grievous is a better General than he is a lightsaber combat specialist.
There is no such thing as cheating in combat.

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Aurbere
12.01.2013 , 01:44 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by fdbgjfdhjgkjdhsg View Post
Grievous thinks he is awesome at duels but most of the time he gets his *** handed to him. When he does win at a duel however it is mostly because he cheats as seen in his duels with Ethe Koth (I probably spelled his name wrong). Grievous also cheated in his fight with Ventress. Overall Grievous is a better General than he is a lightsaber combat specialist.
1. How does one cheat in combat?
2. Eeth Koth.
3. Grievous is awesome at duels.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
12.10.2013 , 02:50 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Hey Aurbere could you add this one to the index?
I thought I did. Well, it's there now.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
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Selenial
12.10.2013 , 03:54 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
1. How does one cheat in combat?
Calling a 1v1, then falling back because he loses and getting his droids to finish for him?
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