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Darthflation... or have we reached peak Darths?

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Darthflation... or have we reached peak Darths?

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StarMagus
11.18.2013 , 06:15 AM | #1
((Cross posted from the server forum of where this happened.))

Ok I can't claim to have invented the term, I saw it last night in fleet and it made me chuckle. We all know that if you have a force using character who completes their class story they get the title of Darth. Now in the Star Wars universe this wasn't a title that got handed out like candy as it has been in the game, but I can sort of understand how during a time of war where old guard sith are dropping like flies in battle with each other and the Republic that the Empire might promote a bunch of new young blood Darths. Why these Darth's have nothing better to do but hang out in fleet, get drunk, flirt with others, and have puffery arguments with tons of threats of violence but no actual fights is just another reason why the Empire is on the losing side right now.

However I saw, as did the person who coined this term, probably the worst case of this last night when somebody who was a level 12 fresh off of the shuttle from Korriban started to claim he was a Darth and everybody should just accept it in the name of RP. Now in other games I've played the RP community tends to be split between people who think that your characters level and power should have no effect on RP and if you want to RP as an archmage at level 1... sure. Others ((myself included)) feel that is silly and that if you want to claim to be somebody of huge amounts of power, you should put the time into the character to at least level them up.

What does the rest of the community think? Level 12s.. nothing wrong with them claiming the highest ranks, titles, and powers you can get in the game, or should they at least put in the time to get the title in game before claiming it on their character?

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Bleeters
11.18.2013 , 06:43 AM | #2
At the very least, it's probably harder to look the part at that level.

But eh. I largely wish there was a more involved process to having rp characters be acknowledged as Darths other than 'because I say so', regardless of their level. Random people rolling sith characters and demanding other people respect their authoritah is the main (and practically the only) reason all my rp server characters are Republic.

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Nebdar
11.18.2013 , 06:54 AM | #3
For me as i lvl uped another character the difference between the power of 10,20,30,40,50 lvl and of course titles was so bluntly obvious . You come back to Korriban as lvl 55 and you just sweep all with just one ability....
So if anyone thinks that at lvl 1-40 can call him self a Darth..... let he/she duel the True Darth and then she/he will feel the POWER OF THE DARK SIDE. The Darth can solo kill the WB on DK, Balmorra,Nar Shadda, Tatooine, or Aldearran ..... So if you want to be called Darth you have to earn it.

It reminds me some long time ago on Dromund Kaas i have seen an lvl 14 Juggernaut Tried to duel Lvl 50 Jugger.... it was hilarious and also insightful ... like the sith young ling training with his Darth Master.. non stop Dodge,Parry, Ressist, or Miss
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StarMagus
11.18.2013 , 07:44 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Bleeters View Post
At the very least, it's probably harder to look the part at that level.

But eh. I largely wish there was a more involved process to having rp characters be acknowledged as Darths other than 'because I say so', regardless of their level. Random people rolling sith characters and demanding other people respect their authoritah is the main (and practically the only) reason all my rp server characters are Republic.
I understand completely, and the closest thing to that, that I've heard was somebody made the comment in fleet.

"Playing a Non-Force user empire side and being upset that Sith boss you around, is like playing a black character in a pre-civil war South Plantation MMO and complaining about being a slave... you sort of knew what you were getting into when you rolled the character."

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Beltane
11.18.2013 , 08:19 AM | #5
I don't think level should have any bearing on RP for one simple reason: it doesn't take very long to level in this game.

Nothing is more jarring to me than someone who RPs an acolyte on a fresh character, yet then ascends to Lord around level 30 and Darth at level 50 despite it only taking a couple weeks to get there. I find that far "worse" RP than someone deciding what they want their character to be from the start and RPing the role before they can "back it up" so to speak.

However, I do agree it's silly when a low level tries to throw their weight around and challenges people. But there's a fine line.

Once a friend of mine got absolutely lambasted in spatial OOC for introducing his character as Lord ___. The RP was not confrontational in any way, shape, or form, but since he was level 20-something at the time the other people present felt he should be RPing as an apprentice. The real problem was that they were ICly "informing him" that he was an apprentice and not a lord, i.e. they were metagaming knowledge of his level IC. I find that attitude incredibly stupid for lack of a better word.

So summed up, my opinion is that level should have zero bearing on a character's role, but low-level characters should also be prepared to not be taken seriously if they go around challenging people and trying to throw their weight around. Since it's considered poor form to take the class story IC anyway, I don't think we should be discouraging people from coming up with a character concept at level 1 and sticking to it instead of feeling compelled to adhere to the class story for RP in any way. We aren't all the Emperor's Wrath or Darth Nox, so why does hitting 50 suddenly make your Sith a Darth? It shouldn't! At all!

Not every 55 Sith should be a Darth, anyway, meaning level -really- has no value. My most well-geared PVP character who can beat most people in duels is a non-combatant, untitled Sith IC.

(As an aside, there's few things that annoy me more than barfly Darths, but that's a whole 'nother topic.)
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StarMagus
11.18.2013 , 08:23 AM | #6
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I don't think level should have any bearing on RP for one simple reason: it doesn't take very long to level in this game.
Which in my mind makes it even more silly when people can't be bothered to level up and get the title if they want to RP their character as a Darth. It's just a big red flag to me that the person in question is so lazy that they can't level up in a game that doesn't take very long to level.

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Once a friend of mine got absolutely lambasted in spatial OOC for introducing his character as Lord ___. The RP was not confrontational in any way, shape, or form, but since he was level 20-something at the time the other people present felt he should be RPing as an apprentice. The real problem was that they were ICly "informing him" that he was an apprentice and not a lord, i.e. they were metagaming knowledge of his level IC. I find that attitude incredibly stupid for lack of a better word.
It's very much part of the lore that force users can get a feel for how powerful other force users are.

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Beltane
11.18.2013 , 01:02 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by StarMagus View Post
Which in my mind makes it even more silly when people can't be bothered to level up and get the title if they want to RP their character as a Darth. It's just a big red flag to me that the person in question is so lazy that they can't level up in a game that doesn't take very long to level.
I agree if the character hasn't bothered to level for a very long period, but if someone is excited to RP their new character, I don't think they should have to wait til 55 to do so.

Level has absolutely zero bearing on quality RP. Are the bazillion 55 Darths who do nothing but flirt and dance in the cantinas doing it right just because they have the title in front of their names?

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It's very much part of the lore that force users can get a feel for how powerful other force users are.
And level should have no bearing on RP for the reason I stated. If someone "senses" my 55 ranked PVP geared and fully purple augmented character was "strong" IC I'd be annoyed since she is a non-combatant IC.

This game is restrictive enough with what we can RP without trying to force people to adhere to one standard based solely on game mechanics. IC and OOC should never be mixed and for very many RPers, game mechanics are largely OOC. I am only going to spend 1 mill+ credits to augment and mod one set of gear at a time, but on my combatant character, she doesn't suddenly become weak if I change into a different set of armor for RP that has no mods.

Just the way that your character can't see someone's name floating above their head (i.e. addressing someone you've never met IC by their name is bad form), they also can't see health, level, or gear. Because those things don't exist IC for a gigantic chunk of the RP population.

A character should never change based on if it's level 30 or 55 or wearing quality gear or not.

For what it's worth, I do wait to RP my characters til they're max level, but I am not going to condemn anyone else for failing to do so. Characters should start at what they are. How does it make sense to go from acolyte to Darth in the time it takes to level up? And also, by that logic, EVERY SINGLE 55 should be a Darth yet I'm assuming you don't think so considering you named the thread Darth inflation.
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StarMagus
11.18.2013 , 01:12 PM | #8
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IC and OOC should never be mixed and for very many RPers, game mechanics are largely OOC.
You are welcome to that opinion, but clearly I disagree. I mean I'd react to somebody running an Agent character and claiming to be Darth the same way. Don't roll an agent if you want to RP as a force user, don't roll a sith true blood and tell me that you are really a Chiss... and don't have a level 12 character and tell me he's amazingly powerful. It's silly.

The other reason I like having ingame power reflect your characters power.. it isn't subjective and it solves silly posturing where EVERYBODY is the most bestest light saber force wielding BMF evar....

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Beltane
11.18.2013 , 06:47 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by StarMagus View Post
You are welcome to that opinion, but clearly I disagree. I mean I'd react to somebody running an Agent character and claiming to be Darth the same way. Don't roll an agent if you want to RP as a force user, don't roll a sith true blood and tell me that you are really a Chiss... and don't have a level 12 character and tell me he's amazingly powerful. It's silly.

The other reason I like having ingame power reflect your characters power.. it isn't subjective and it solves silly posturing where EVERYBODY is the most bestest light saber force wielding BMF evar....
You disagree, and that's fine, as long as you realize that a massive number of RPers don't adhere to your views either. There are seriously two schools of thought--level doesn't matter and level does matter. I already explained how the two can get along, and it's very simple: the low level shouldn't try to throw their weight around IC, and the high level shouldn't metagame and go "you're weak, you're not a REAL Lord!" Like anything else, RP is give and take. Not everyone has the same mindset so it's better to try to be considerate and work with other people than to say it's your way or the highway.

So, do you believe that every single 55 should be a Darth then? I don't understand since your thread title is about Darth inflation. I would think you'd encourage people to not assume max level = super powerful IC.

Also, it's important to realize that the titles of Lord and Darth are largely political and have exceedingly little to do with IC power. There were Darths on the Dark Council that weren't great combatants, and super powerful combatants that never rose beyond Lord.

99.9% of RP problems come down to everyone wanting to "win." If "winning" isn't important to you then you tend to stop caring what level people are or if they try to throw their weight around IC. I personally am way happier having a level 55 non-combatant that isn't powerful IC than I am trying to stomp on everyone else just because I'm geared for PVP. :P
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ScarletBlaze
11.18.2013 , 06:57 PM | #10
Honesty in my view on roleplay, levels, titles, etc above the names don't exist. You will have to come up to me and introduce yourself. I have no idea who you are or even your profession until you tell me. Also don't walk up to me saying my name either unless we have met. I will not answer you.

Would you honesty walk up to me and expect me to know who you are? Titles, names, levels, etc above the head is just a mechanic.
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