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Why are their no macro's again?

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Zoom_VI
11.13.2013 , 07:29 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by blackcerberus View Post
following this train of thought, the very existance of gadgets like razer nagas and nostromo gamepads would affect my playstyle. and whats even worse, since they cost real money ( and they arent precisely cheap ) perhaps Im not even getting the option to use them or not.

if macros arent allowed, this gadgets should be forbidden for the very same reasons, and then some more
But how are they going to stop razor users? They can't barge in and confiscate people's mouses.
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Etheric
11.13.2013 , 07:39 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
But how are they going to stop razor users? They can't barge in and confiscate people's mouses.
Stop it thats funny considering razor sells a SWTOR model, which would have needed the permission of this company to sell.

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Fazaani
11.13.2013 , 08:02 AM | #53
Well now it goes into "which logic is best" conversation. If there is one way to cheat should it be allowed all to cheat? Not in my mind... There are "limitations" that i see as part of the game and as such game wouldn't be same without "the chance i do smth wrong" even if it is missed stim/adr/mount/rocket boost.

Devices don't chage my opinnion about the matter, i dont think game need's or should be simplified in this sense.

And ofc i aint gonna be jesus about the matter... if macros come into game i prolly use atleast some. But as my opinnion to the question (should there be macros) i say no, and till that day i feel all macro users are cheating
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11.13.2013 , 08:07 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Just because YOU don't feel like they are needed, doesn't mean they are not needed. I like to PvP in my games. And in PvP, to go pro, you need to TRY to be the best. Clickin {or hotkey pressing} my undying rage ability, 'then' my PvP medpac, 'then' my reusable chemist medpac, all right behind each other; When none of these are on global cooldown (correct me if im wrong), will make me miss a 1-second window where I could have pressed an attack.

With a macro.. I have all these 3 items/skills on 1 button. I press that 1 button and then continue to fight. My proper use of macro's has saved me from pushing 4 buttons in 1 global rotation, into pushing 2. Moments like those are what separates an average PvPer from a high ranking PvPer. And I like to be the best... Yay, power, yay Sith.
And that right there is why they do not want macros in game.
You're not the best of the best, when you can push one button & activate moves. In some ways that's cheating.
The rotations are there for a purpose. I disagree with different things BW does, but in your case I totally agree with the "no macros".
Pressing 1 button & activating 3 skills, while you're still activating other ones does nothing but give you an unfair advantage. Doesn't mean your the best, because your definitely not skilled.
Learn to click buttons faster. The closest thing you're gonna get to a macro is using the number keys on specific actions while mousing over some others.

You want to go pro? L2P. Like some of the ones that are already PvPing without using macros or cheats. Those are some of the best.
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Ratajack
11.13.2013 , 08:10 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
They don't want a higher barrier?... Wait a minute... then make constantly activated abilities "that are not on global cooldown" passive.

If I had macro's the first thing I would do is make cloak of pain on my marauder macro'd to cast every time I use my basic attack. So it will always be on cooldown.

Cloak of pain has a 1 minute cooldown. And last's 30 seconds if used properly... Cmon... So it's a passive buff lasting half it's cooldown? Just make it ALWAYS passive with a half as usefull affect?

These are examples of why players use macro's... Why should I have to push cloak of pain constantly WHILE pushing other combat skills. With macro's I can remove it from my action bars and focus on more important defensive cooldowns.
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Just because YOU don't feel like they are needed, doesn't mean they are not needed. I like to PvP in my games. And in PvP, to go pro, you need to TRY to be the best. Clickin {or hotkey pressing} my undying rage ability, 'then' my PvP medpac, 'then' my reusable chemist medpac, all right behind each other; When none of these are on global cooldown (correct me if im wrong), will make me miss a 1-second window where I could have pressed an attack.

With a macro.. I have all these 3 items/skills on 1 button. I press that 1 button and then continue to fight. My proper use of macro's has saved me from pushing 4 buttons in 1 global rotation, into pushing 2. Moments like those are what separates an average PvPer from a high ranking PvPer. And I like to be the best... Yay, power, yay Sith.

This is EXACTLY why the devs do not allow macros. I believe that the devs have repeatedly stated that they do not allow macros because they do not want people "chaining" actions to perform multiple items/skills with the press of one button. They want each and every item/skill to require a separate click or press of a button.

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Ratajack
11.13.2013 , 08:23 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by blackcerberus View Post
following this train of thought, the very existance of gadgets like razer nagas and nostromo gamepads would affect my playstyle. and whats even worse, since they cost real money ( and they arent precisely cheap ) perhaps Im not even getting the option to use them or not.

if macros arent allowed, this gadgets should be forbidden for the very same reasons, and then some more
The devs have indicated that if a player is using something akin to a nostramo or razr naga, as long as each "macro'd" button only performs one skill/item, that is legal. Unless I am mistaken, they have also indicated that it is a violation of the TOS and subject to action if that player binds multiple items/actions to a single keypress.

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Rafaman
11.13.2013 , 08:24 AM | #57
Well, I think those last few responses just about wrap things up. My only addition is simply this: OP, you want Macros, you don't need macros. A big difference there. Everything is working as designed.

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AlexDougherty
11.13.2013 , 08:27 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
This is EXACTLY why the devs do not allow macros. I believe that the devs have repeatedly stated that they do not allow macros because they do not want people "chaining" actions to perform multiple items/skills with the press of one button. They want each and every item/skill to require a separate click or press of a button.
Yes, it players become less skillful since they only have to press one button, therefore don't have to juggle abilities and actually pay attention.

Mind you some people are very fanatical about macro's so I'm not going to criticisize (although I'm not above implying criticism).
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Ratajack
11.13.2013 , 08:27 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by blackcerberus View Post
sorry but you seem to be in direct contradiction with the devs here
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...60#edit6459160



I just dont understand why they allow something but then dont give the proper tools to use it ingame, knowing that people with expensive gadgets can get that functionality (by paying real life money to get it )
I would think it is because allowing the example you give would, bu its very nature, allow the types of macros t hat ARE against the TOS. Then the question becomes how do they take action against one type of "allowed" macro and not another type of "allowed" macro. The easiest answer is to not allow macros at all.

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Ratajack
11.13.2013 , 08:29 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
But how are they going to stop razor users? They can't barge in and confiscate people's mouses.
If someone using an "illegal" macro on a razr gets reported and investigation "proves" that the player is using an "illegal" macro on the razr, BW simply bans the guilty party. No one is going to take the razr away. They will take away the right to play their game.