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Why are their no macro's again?

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Vember
11.14.2013 , 12:53 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Those are really neat... But I dislike the Razer Naga, (find it uncomfortable, not multibutton mice, just the razer naga) And I pref. to play SWTOR on my laptop.
*gasp!*

I can't play without my razer naga o.O Or the LG version, I have both. You can also program naga buttons to modifiers, like ctrl and alt. I have a crapton of keybinds at my disposal with that mouse.

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Lugosi
11.14.2013 , 01:12 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Sorry... I don't understand... Macro's don't give you an advantage, their fair, they fix problems the game developers put in combat. Oh, and the most important part of all... THEY ARE OPTIONAL!!!

Me having macro's has nothing to do with another player who doesn't use them. So why should I not have them?

Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
With a macro.. I have all these 3 items/skills on 1 button. I press that 1 button and then continue to fight. My proper use of macro's has saved me from pushing 4 buttons in 1 global rotation, into pushing 2. Moments like those are what separates an average PvPer from a high ranking PvPer. And I like to be the best... Yay, power, yay Sith.
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captpickles
11.14.2013 , 01:39 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by Lugosi View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
Sorry... I don't understand... Macro's don't give you an advantage, their fair, they fix problems the game developers put in combat. Oh, and the most important part of all... THEY ARE OPTIONAL!!!

Me having macro's has nothing to do with another player who doesn't use them. So why should I not have them?

Quote: Originally Posted by Nikkalos View Post
With a macro.. I have all these 3 items/skills on 1 button. I press that 1 button and then continue to fight. My proper use of macro's has saved me from pushing 4 buttons in 1 global rotation, into pushing 2. Moments like those are what separates an average PvPer from a high ranking PvPer. And I like to be the best... Yay, power, yay Sith.
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Zoom_VI
11.14.2013 , 03:06 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by captpickles View Post
Look, the whole debate cab stop.

*IF* macros could work, they'd be in the game already. Macros would invite more players to sub, or f2p-preferred and make money because if you make it easier... more people play.

we all know and agree BW and EA are about making money.

so why are they not in the game? Same reason as i said 4-6 pages back. the engine cannot support it.

if it could be done, then there would be money to be made and EA would do it.
Because, increased subs from macro-lovers would not compensate for sub loss from those of us who dislike automated gameplay.
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Eyesmindassassin
11.14.2013 , 05:45 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by blackcerberus View Post
except, no

that would be one of the definitions of a macro. you can have macros with no logic, no timing, no checkups. they are still macros, tho

check my post in page 6 of this thread, where the DEVELOPERS admitted that a macro that lets you press 1 4 times, and each time it would do, in a cycle, skill 1, skill 2, skill 3, skill 4 with each keypress is completly within limits of acceptable.

it complies with the "one click one skill", has no logic added to it, and still it would be useful.


the currentproblem of the game is that this is ALLOWED by the developers, and some people can take advantage of it (and are doing it) thanks to expensive programmable mouses/keyboards, while others cant because they lack the bucks and the game doesnt have a free ingame option to do the same.


some people ARE using macros, and they risk nothing because it is ALLOWED. but other people CANT do the same because its an entirely "paid" feature...paid outside of the game, that is

if you cant see how wrong this is, I dont even know how to continue debating with you


I said it once, and I will say it again.
if they dont want ANY kind of macros, fine by me, but then BAN EVERYONE using a naga/programmable keyboard.
if they are fine with certain kind of low-level macros, as they seem to be, then add an ingame option that allows people to do ingame the same without spending 100 bucks on a mouse/keyboard.
Perfect post, close thread now. The reason these 'anti-macro' people are arguing with you is because they are the ones with the advantage and the Naga's and the keyboards. They are the ToS violators and the culprits. We are the saints and the do-gooders. This is wrong. All we want is equality . All they want is inequality. Not only is it not right, it's disgusting and BioWare should amend this grave injustice by making macros usable by EVERYONE. NOT just the people in this thread who can afford to buy the hardware and then troll every macro thread that comes about so that they keep their pathetic advantage.

You are the bad players, not us.

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Mallorik
11.14.2013 , 05:52 PM | #146
I have all my macros on my keyboard and mouse, I can macro just about anything I want. But I still think it should be in game and I think its extremely unfair for people to have to go outside the game to get macro capability.

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Erasimus
11.14.2013 , 06:04 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Because, increased subs from macro-lovers would not compensate for sub loss from those of us who dislike automated gameplay.
Actually macros are already in the game for anyone that has a programmable keyboard, mouse, gamepad, etc. There are a ton of those on the Market, including Star Wars the Old Republic branded ones.

So, what next, have the game software detect if you have any programmable device and ban you? Maybe people should be banned for using faster computers, larger screens, etc. I mean all of those give you an "unfair" advantage over someone who doesn't have them.

No macros that affect combat? That is a rather disingenuous response coming from a developer. Say I have a Razer game pad, binding abilities off the global cooldown that have a prerequisite for action, say trickshot to Charged Burst and to Aimed Shot. How do you stop someone from doing that? Put all abilities on the global cooldown? That would make combat even clunkier than it is already. Tell everyone they are permitted to use gaming keyboards, mice, pads only for games other than SWTOR, that won't fly very far.

Bottom line - Macros are already in the game, just not supported directly by the game. The only people disadvantaged are those that don't have the money to buy gamming gear.
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Froteus
11.14.2013 , 06:19 PM | #148
Hey Eyes... I think anyone who uses macroes with gear probably doesn't care if bw adds them in or not.

Can't afford a naga to get that fair play? Lmao. This is a high speed Internet pc game. You can afford a machine to run this game, the Internet to play it on, but not peripherals?

News flash: That's your problem, not the people who can afford the gear. You're shifting the moral responsibility of creating a level playing field from Bioware onto macro users who use peripherals sanctioned by Bioware.

No more a saint than just misguided is all. Your beef should be with Bioware not making it fair - how much you wanna bet they get a chunk of cash for those SW nagas? How much you wanna bet they want you to, ya know, buy one?

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ELRunninW
11.14.2013 , 06:23 PM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by Eyesmindassassin View Post
NOT just the people in this thread who can afford to buy the hardware and then troll every macro thread that comes about so that they keep their pathetic advantage.
You are the bad players, not us.
You cannot make assumptions like that. I don't use macros and I can afford to pay money to have access to them, yet I continue to argue. This thread can be closed if all you can do is insult other players.

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Hyfy
11.14.2013 , 06:37 PM | #150
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
I get that you weren't advocating them, it was just that your post was the best one to use to add my view, as it was leaning in the direction I wanted to go.
Ah huh I gotcha now. Sorry my brain has been stuck on stupid most of the day due to a severe lack of sleep over the last few days.
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