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Ninjas in flashpoints - Can be fixed easily


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ekimmak
11.14.2013 , 04:13 PM | #21
So, how about a sentinel needing on guardian gear, or a guardian needing on sentinel gear, if they need the mods, but not the armour itself?
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pan_sObak
11.15.2013 , 01:19 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Mavery View Post
You really need to look up the definition of ninja looting because you do not have it.
i really do not need to look up the definition of ninja looting because i am defining it :-)

Quote: Originally Posted by Mavery View Post
How is it ninja looting if someone rolls need on something that will directly upgrade their current role and specialization?
in SW TOR all loot has main stat which is defined for every class
all loot should be rolled first by the proper class - with that very main stat
all other classes roll next

so NEED only on gear with your main stat
otherwise you are ninja looting

every and any loot can be used for my upgrade
i can sell it or RE it or use it for my companion or for my alt
the question is in priority to roll and someone's greediness

Quote: Originally Posted by Mavery View Post
Here is the definition of WoW Wiki for ninja looting. Yes, I know this is SWTOR, but the definition is transferable and works here.
this's not WOW, this is SW TOR
i do not care about any definitions from WOW wiki (or any wiki, to say honestly)
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TonyWright
11.15.2013 , 04:33 AM | #23
I don,t think the issue here is ninjaing as the JK had a use of an upgrade, Its more like bad manners that he didnt ask the JC if he minded, Tbh if I have been in a similar situation on my JK I would ask. On a side note if I won any loot that I needed to upgrade but is a bigger upgrade for another player in the group I would probably let them have it aslong as they asked politely.

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Mavery
11.15.2013 , 01:06 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by pan_sObak View Post
i really do not need to look up the definition of ninja looting because i am defining it :-)



in SW TOR all loot has main stat which is defined for every class
all loot should be rolled first by the proper class - with that very main stat
all other classes roll next

so NEED only on gear with your main stat
otherwise you are ninja looting

every and any loot can be used for my upgrade
i can sell it or RE it or use it for my companion or for my alt
the question is in priority to roll and someone's greediness



this's not WOW, this is SW TOR
i do not care about any definitions from WOW wiki (or any wiki, to say honestly)
So you're one of those people who still think the world is flat?

You cannot re-define terms that everyone else accepts as another definition. But if you are, I'll leave you to it in your wrongness.

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JEEJohnson
11.15.2013 , 02:27 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by ekimmak View Post
So, how about a sentinel needing on guardian gear, or a guardian needing on sentinel gear, if they need the mods, but not the armour itself?
As long as they ask first in chat I would be ok with it, with most people wearing adaptvie gear nowadays that isn't really an issue.
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Ottoattack
11.15.2013 , 03:01 PM | #26
I am not sure where "the knight could use the enhancement so its not ninja looting" is coming from. All classes use the same enhancements in gear, does that mean they should role need on them? Of course not. I have a zero tolerance policy for ninja looters and no, comps are not an integral part of you characters effectiveness, so rolling need cuz your "comp" needs it is a no no.

The general rule of thumb, is if you want to get it for a comp do not roll. If everyone else rolled greed, ask if you can need it for comp (guaranteed they won't object if they rolled greed on it). I do not think there is a reason for BW to restrict gear, since gear that drops in FPs in insignificant, aside from HM 55, and even that is not that valuable.

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SuperGrunt
11.15.2013 , 04:12 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Mavery View Post
So you're one of those people who still think the world is flat?

You cannot re-define terms that everyone else accepts as another definition. But if you are, I'll leave you to it in your wrongness.
Actually I think that he was quite right in what he said. We have a very different gearing system in SWTOR than WoW or any other MMORPG has. Honestly if someone needs 1 Mod, 2 Mods, or all the Mods, they have as much right to them as does anyone else. Alternately I would be in agreement that the armor shell should never be needed for, as any other armor shell of the same weight class would do the same job, so that cosmetic upgrade should always be considered a greed roll, unless there is a discussion about it amongst the group members.

In WoW, and most other MMORPGs you can either use an item or you can't, it's much more cut and dry there than it is here.

Quite frankly I personally Greed everything that drops, and need on anything that is an upgrade for my character in their current spec/role. Considering most items I need drop only in HM Ops and above, I don't need all that often, except on Rep Tokens for Reps I am still grinding, and I only get upset when people greeded on the last Rep Token and then Need on the one that just dropped.
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Selenial
11.15.2013 , 06:12 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by pan_sObak View Post
main stat for every class is defined - it's aim, willpower, cunning or strength

if you NEED for a gear with not your main stat - it's ninja looting
you can think anything about you not being ninja, but the fact is that you NEED a gear with others main stat

the rule is - NEED only for gear with your main stat
if you want it for your alt or companion or even enhancement for yourself - ask before

as for blaming BW - every thief has an excuse
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Who are you to define what Need means? Bioware certainly hasn't. You're saying need is for things with an upgrade, if he has a level 4 enhancement, a lvl 30 one drops, it's an upgrade, so why can't he need it?

Likelihood is if it drops anyway you won't need each of the mods if it's your class. Deal with it and move on, he won it fair and square, his is useful to him. Sure, you may need it more, but he still needs it.
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RayceUlrand
11.16.2013 , 02:11 AM | #29
I share your concern OP. I hoped in the future Bioware could implement some kind of bonus to a roll if the item's highest state is the primary of a class, but it'd probably be too difficult to implement. As for me, I tend to bring it up once and then leave it alone, or just leave. If someone's needing gear that isn't a priority for their character, I'm too tempted to do it in return to others and that's not the right thing to do.

Had a Mercenary need on a blue Sith Warrior gear in Hammer Station recently, when we had no one to really make use of it. I don't know what ran through his head, because he wasn't a new player, but I just knew that after that I had to stop playing FP's for the day. Mind you, this is after two failed runs of Hammer before even getting to the first boss because the tanks(Who were obviously DPS specced) only queued tank because it was 'shorter' or the healer rage quit.

Some battles you can't win. Get a guild, get some friends, and work with the people you trust is the only permanent solution to this issue. You can't always trust the community. Oh, and if you can, never go to a level you are disgusted with. The urge to 'get back' at those who frequently take gear you know you could make much more use of can be very strong, but its just not worth it in the end. Half the time they might be decent enough to trade with you if you bring logic, and the other half they may just take pride in the fact they got under your skin and you can't do anything to get it back.

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steave
11.16.2013 , 03:46 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by ekimmak View Post
So, how about a sentinel needing on guardian gear, or a guardian needing on sentinel gear, if they need the mods, but not the armour itself?
Perfectly fine, all the stats come from the mods, so the mods are all that matters (and by extention, that also means that rolling on a chest so you can take the mods out and put them in your legs is fine too, even if you already have a better chest).


To the OP, I would consider it ninja looting too, except for if the dropped item is a tanking piece and the one needing for enhancement is the tank. In that case, you have the tank rolling for 1 single mod (the enhancement) VS a dps/healer rolling for an another single mod (the armoring), and I'd even argue that the tank has priority since armorings can be bought for comms, while enhancements with tank stats can not until higher levels.
However, ninja looting rules are all player made, and thus different players will have different definitions. Some looser, like the ones arguing it's fine to need for an enhancement, some stricter saying a healer is not allowed to roll on something with accuracy on it even if the rest is for their class. It could also be argued that everyone put as much effort into killing the bosses as everyone else and thus have a equal right to it.