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''Lol Pandas''...(and the hubris of the commnitty)

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''Lol Pandas''...(and the hubris of the commnitty)

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Angedechu
11.07.2013 , 12:20 PM | #1
TOR was launched shortly after the announcement of the ''Lol Pandas'' expansion (1). At this time, the forums were sure that TOR would utterly destroy WOW.

Yet, the other game announced yesterday to still have 7.6 millions subs (stabilized from last report), without any ''trick'' like the Annual Pass, and they are on the verge to announce (likely tomorrow) Expansion V (which will be way more impressive than Hutt Cartel or Starfighter...)

What we did wrong, and what Blizzard did good ?

(1)The point being that the ''Pandas'' were widely ridiculed, and yet, at the end of the expansion, WOW still have between three and four times more sub than TOR at it's prime.

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11.07.2013 , 12:25 PM | #2
whats your point in this post

you feel better now ?
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11.07.2013 , 12:27 PM | #3
WOW = Fantasy
SWTOR = SciFi

And both are relatively simple compared to DDO. Both are basically hack & slay games. A thing whichBlizzard more or less invented (with the Action-RPG sub-genre).

Meaning that the hardcore RPG folks will go elsewhere.
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Angedechu
11.07.2013 , 12:32 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Murder_Toys View Post
whats your point in this post

you feel better now ?
The point being that the ''Lol Pandas''-that were widely derided as ''that will kill WOW'' have not prevented WOW to still have 7.6 millions sub (including asian ones, yes, I know) at the end of the expansion cycle While TOR, whose launch was very soon after the Pandas announcement crashed and burned.

So, obviously, Blizzard did something better than Bioware.

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chuixupu
11.07.2013 , 12:33 PM | #5
And people in WoW are still ridiculing pandas every day, still ridiculing Blood Elves, still ridiculing gnomes. That's just how people are. Every new MMO that came out, people claimed it would be a WoW killer. Warhammer Online was the first one I remember. If you go to the forums of every other MMO now, they all have the same conversations about WoW that happen here.

Truth is, WoW is an anomaly and a lot of its success was a combination of perfect timing and brilliant advertising, and once they got a hold on a good number of people, they want to stay where all their friends are, in a game they know will be around for a long time. Even for those who stopped playing WoW, there is a really high degree of nostalgia for the old days that we keep trying to get back. I'll be at Blizzcon tomorrow, interested in the new Xpac, seeing TONS of old friends, even though I canceled my subscription a couple of months ago and don't really have any interest in playing right now.
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11.07.2013 , 12:37 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Angedechu View Post
TOR was launched shortly after the announcement of the ''Lol Pandas'' expansion (1). At this time, the forums were sure that TOR would utterly destroy WOW.

Yet, the other game announced yesterday to still have 7.6 millions subs (stabilized from last report), without any ''trick'' like the Annual Pass, and they are on the verge to announce (likely tomorrow) Expansion V (which will be way more impressive than Hutt Cartel or Starfighter...)

What we did wrong, and what Blizzard did good ?

(1)The point being that the ''Pandas'' were widely ridiculed, and yet, at the end of the expansion, WOW still have between three and four times more sub than TOR at it's prime.
At one point, WoW had 13 million subscribers. That is a lot of money. Money that lets you do things that other games without that amount of money can not.

But remember, WoW at one point had a subscriber base under one million. They didn't start with 13 million players, they built up to it. As their base grew so to did their ability to spend more money to make more money.

The problem with gamers nowadays is that they expect WoW-like stuff from launch and that will never, ever happen.

Also, the current sub numbers mean that WoW has lost nearly half of their high point. Half. That is a ton of lost revenue that should be a clue that maybe everything in WoW land isn't all sunshine and happiness. Right now it is rolling along on momentum and the 800lb gorilla is getting old and hasn't learned any real new tricks lately.
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venomlash
11.07.2013 , 12:37 PM | #7
Nobody smart ever thought SWTOR would be a WoW-killer. It's carved out its own niche focused on story and it's done decently, the early F2P transition notwithstanding.
Honestly, given the sort of people who are big fans of WoW, I'm perfectly happy to let them stay in their little land of chainmail bikinis, giant shoulder pads, and particle effects so sparkly it's impossible to see what's going on.
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ralphieceaser
11.07.2013 , 12:37 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Angedechu View Post
What we did wrong, and what Blizzard did good ?
THEY MADE BIG SEXY PANDAS!!!!!

unlike this dumb game were all the races can be described as
Human
human with horns(zabrak)
human with tentacles(sith)
blue human(chiss)
emo human(ratataki)
blind human
green human
human with slight fur

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Angedechu
11.07.2013 , 12:38 PM | #9
1)Then why we copied the Vanilla Gorilla tricks ?

2)They lost half of their subs in 10 years. We lost more than 75% of ours within a year.

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Angedechu
11.07.2013 , 12:39 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by ralphieceaser View Post
THEY MADE BIG SEXY PANDAS!!!!

unlike this dumb game were all the races can be described as
Human
human with horns(zabrak)
human with tentacles(sith)
blue human(chiss)
emo human(ratataki)
blind human
green human
human with slight fur
There is a point here, as in WOW, despite having crude models, at least the models are different.