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More to do with Revan and Revanites please!

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More to do with Revan and Revanites please!

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Euphrosyne
11.09.2013 , 11:34 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Stinghen View Post
So it can never truly compare to the universe of The Lord of the Rings in consistency, depth and quality.
Consistency: definitely. Too many cooks and all that. Although in some respects, this is more feature than bug; there are different kinds of Star Wars experience for different people.

Depth: depends on what you mean by depth. If you mean infinity poems about random crap that makes passing appearances in the storyline, then yeah, LotR has Star Wars beat. If you mean a narrative that explores, in great and sometimes excruciating detail, not only everything that happened to everybody in a given story, but also the backstories of the backstory characters in that story, then wouldn't you have to go with Star Wars? Adding depth was one of the first goals that the EU writers and the Holocron keepers had: give everybody who had screen time in a Star Wars movie a name and a story. That's one of the places where having lots and lots of writers is a clear advantage over having one writer who cribs a lot from Welsh and Norse mythology.

Quality: meh. Tolkien's worldbuilding was superb, and as a fantasy exercise it was basically the first of its kind. His books were fantastic for that. But his story-writing was notoriously indifferent. He combined the distracting aspects of the Iliad - the mega-long death speeches, digressions on family history and local mythology of incidental objects, and so on - with an inability to compose action the way the ancient Greek rhapsodes could. Tolkien's writing was boring, and I say this as a graduate student who spends a great deal of time poring through boring history writing. (That, incidentally, is one of the greatest things about the Peter Jackson films; while they're regrettably only able to take a snapshot of Tolkien's lore in many respects, they reanimate his relatively lifeless prose in natural settings, emotional experience, and of course action.) By comparison, Star Wars is home to a whole lot of dreck, yeah, but also to some of the best science fiction/fantasy writing of the last several decades.

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On the main thread subject, I have to say that KotOR and Revan diehards got an awful lot of fanservice already. The Revanites are a random weak sect with bizarre opinions, hopelessly muddled philosophy that even the ancient Greeks could poke huge holes in (let alone the likes of Wittgenstein), and embarrassingly poor security protocols. Also, they're complete idiots. I'm willing to slog through their quests every time I level an Imp alt, but I don't particularly enjoy it, and I'd be a little unhappy if I had to do anything more with them.
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Zepedy
12.28.2013 , 07:27 PM | #52
Definitely second this idea. I for one bought this game for the sole reason as it was said to be Kotor 3,4,5,6,7,8 and beyond. 2 Flashpoints with Revan and the Exile in them is not Kotor 3. Everyone else that bought this game for 50$ when it came out ,who bought it for that reason also ,technically , already paid for Kotor 3 then. I'm not against Swtor , i like it. But i do feel like i got Jipped or bait and switched .
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Xilizhra
12.28.2013 , 07:53 PM | #53
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That's a sad statement. I leave the judgement as to whether it is true or not to others, but, Hell! Revan was their Revan, now he's a plot element, a bloody NPC. Their character, look at that, is their actual MMO toon. Do they not shape them as they like too? I know I do. But people hoped they could recreate and play as Revan again? Sad, just sad. Puerile.
No, I do not. I've never played KOTOR, so I don't really have a dog in that fight, but I do not and cannot shape my character as she is meant to be played, because the game will not let me love. And that's... utterly rageworthy.

Truth be told, Austin should burn, KOTOR 3 should be made, and... I don't really care what they do with Revan, but Bioware clearly didn't want him to be unambiguously dead, so really, he's probably not actually dead. Malgus, sure, but Revan? It's doubtful.

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Pietrastor
12.28.2013 , 08:25 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Zepedy View Post
Definitely second this idea. I for one bought this game for the sole reason as it was said to be Kotor 3,4,5,6,7,8 and beyond. 2 Flashpoints with Revan and the Exile in them is not Kotor 3. Everyone else that bought this game for 50$ when it came out ,who bought it for that reason also ,technically , already paid for Kotor 3 then. I'm not against Swtor , i like it. But i do feel like i got Jipped or bait and switched .
Play Knight, it's basically as close to KOTOR 3 as TOR gets and more than just few Flashpoints. Other class stories have basically nothing to do with KOTORs

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KennethChen
12.29.2013 , 01:53 AM | #55
Revan's story has been told already, its time for him to die in peace and move on to the next hero.

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Aztang
12.30.2013 , 03:00 AM | #56
There is still so much depth to both stories of the Revanites and Revan. BW will always hold that card and play it when they see fit.

I loved being Revan in Kotor first game that got me into gaming, quite a fond memory of my childhood when I first played Kotor. I would always love to see more of either Revan or the Revanites! who knows it could be on the back of an expansion one day.
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Auberan
02.15.2014 , 07:33 PM | #57
I would like to see more of the Revanites as an alternative path -- that way you don't have character development that is only fluff (i.e. I can branch out -- not follow the same linear path). I really enjoy the idea of a group that is outside the Jedi and the Sith, a third path if you like...

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Rudolf_Saebjorn
02.16.2014 , 08:10 AM | #58
You can't do anymore with Revan without having to stretch out his character so much. It would ruin the character. *Speculation Time* Let's just say he teleported to some beach and drank blue milk all day like a bad butt.

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Frenesi
02.16.2014 , 08:22 AM | #59
Well, before exploding he says something like "Now i know how you felt, my friend". If he was reffering to the Exile, this means that he is actually becoming one with the force. So technically he is dead
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Scutum
02.16.2014 , 01:14 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Frenesi View Post
Well, before exploding he says something like "Now i know how you felt, my friend". If he was reffering to the Exile, this means that he is actually becoming one with the force. So technically he is dead
I'm pretty sure the person he was talking about in that instance was Malak, since they both talk about how alone and dark things seemed at the time of defeat/death.

I personally believe that Revan should be allowed to just stay dead, but the Revanites are an interesting faction in the empire that should be given one more chance at the spotlight.

To further give evidence of the empire's downfall through infighting/civil war, maybe give them a flashpoint. Some of them could have heard rumors of Revan's return and chose to rise up against the empire, led by some guy who could or might not be Revan (most likely a false one). Or maybe he came into contact with some of them and gave them instructions to follow after his death, since he was a strategist who liked to cover all of his bases. Maybe he told them to try and overthrow the Imperial government knowing fully well that they would fail, but hope that they do enough damage to give the republic an advantage.

Pubs could help them get their coup started while Imps could hunt them down and kill them/foil their plans.
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