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View Poll Results: Vote for what you want most for future content...Pick up to 5
Class Story 2,303 69.22%
Operations 924 27.77%
PvP Content (Warzones, Arena's etc) 1,285 38.62%
Companions 877 26.36%
Space Content (beyond what is coming already) 616 18.52%
Planets 1,384 41.60%
Crew Skills and Crafting 582 17.49%
Character Customization Options (Hair, Faces, Body sizes, etc) 807 24.26%
Legacy 829 24.92%
Mini Games (Sabacc, Pod racing, pazaak, etc) 1,307 39.28%
Playable Races 975 29.31%
New Class 1,374 41.30%
Other 224 6.73%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 3327. You may not vote on this poll

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Lord_Ravenhurst
11.08.2013 , 03:23 PM | #531
Quote: Originally Posted by StarMagus View Post
If you feel that way, why don't you play WoW?

I'm sort of puzzled by all the calls for make SWTOR more like WoW!!!!!

SWTOR will never be a better WoW than WoW, it's insane to try to do that.
asking for a proper expansion = call to make SWTOR more like WOW
asking for more starwarsy things to do = csll to make SWTOR more like SWG

so any requests beyond the 1.0 concept are bad

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LordArtemis
11.08.2013 , 03:24 PM | #532
I don't think asking for a full fledged expansion is asking for this game to be like WoW. Other games have full fledged expansions after all.

WoW is just one example of a game that has had full expansions that one can use as an example....but there are others, games with lower populations than this one I would expect, like LotRO.

Note...I am not asking for a full expansion, I'm fine with micro ones. Just making a point.

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aeterno
11.08.2013 , 03:27 PM | #533
Quote: Originally Posted by StarMagus View Post
You didn't ask for customer service, you basically said that WoW has all the stuff that you want... which makes it silly to be here if you felt that way.
I'm not going to joust verbally with you about what I did or did not say, I think everyone with a decent reading comprehension can figure out the underlying meaning of my post - bemoaning the fact TOR doesn't enjoy anywhere near the level of commitment by its devs/publisher that WoW does.

You told me to go play WoW if that's how I feel, your civic duty by this forum is hereby done. Duly noted. Duly ignored.

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StarMagus
11.08.2013 , 03:27 PM | #534
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Ravenhurst View Post
asking for a proper expansion = call to make SWTOR more like WOW
asking for more starwarsy things to do = csll to make SWTOR more like SWG

so any requests beyond the 1.0 concept are bad
If you are going to misquote me at least try to do an interesting job of it.

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StarMagus
11.08.2013 , 03:30 PM | #535
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
I'm not going to joust verbally with you about what I did or did not say, I think everyone with a decent reading comprehension can figure out the underlying meaning of my post - bemoaning the fact TOR doesn't enjoy anywhere near the level of commitment by its devs/publisher than WoW does.

You told me to go play WoW if that's how I feel, your civic duty by this forum is hereby done. Duly noted. Duly ignored.
You're the one that suggested watching the news about the xpac for WoW had you feeling like a Jewish kid on Christmas, without giving any more details.

Wait.. is it the band that's playing that you want? If you had given out particular details it would be one thing.. but instead you basically pointed to another game and said... "I wish I had what they had!" Which... is.. easy enough to do. Switching games or even playing both isn't like changing religions.

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Ottoattack
11.08.2013 , 04:17 PM | #536
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I won't disagree with any of the points you have made. Polling definitely has many benefits, and understanding player feedback from the forums is certainly a component of that.

You didn't actually hit on the reason we don't do them generally, and that is perception. I realize I just insinuated that there is a perception problem (dirty words!!!) but hear me out first . Unfortunately the forums can exist in a vacuum. That is, that people will often think that what is reflected in the forums is always the reality of how things are for everyone. Polling all too often reinforces that belief. Let me give you an example.

Let's say someone posted a poll "What Warzone map style would you like to see next in a new map? Huttball, Alderaan, or Voidstar"

After 2 weeks or so of voting, Alderaan has the most votes with 40%, and 300 people voting for it. 3 months later, we release a new patch, and we have a new Huttball map. The general users of the forums, will not be pleased. If you look at the poll and only at the poll you will get things like "EVERYONE AGREED WE WANTED ALDERAAN!" By making the poll, it is implied that the poll is the core metric to a decision being made; it is just one component. That is not to say forum opinion doesn't matter, of course. It is just that it is merely a sampling.

Think of it this way... in my previous example 300 people voted for the winning selection. I will spare you the math, but if hundreds of thousands of people play SWTOR, 300 is a fraction of a percent. We can't sway entire decisions based on just that poll. However, people look to polls to justify decisions and unfortunately things just aren't that simple.

That is the long form on why we typically don't do polling.

TLDR - People assume poll results indicate // guarantee actual majority opinion and assume it will solely affect decision making.

-eric
Hi Eric,

Talking from experience, I am a CPA and an auditor, and I deal with sampling a lot. As you sample size gets bigger, the likely hood of it not representing the population gets smaller. Based on the pool count, we currently have 1,600 votes as I posted this rely. I would agree that the population we are drawing from the sample, is not your avg. population, as the majority of people on the forums vary between regular players and hardcore players. Never the less, these represent a good chunk of the subscribers base.

A better way to obtain an even more inclusive polls is to have the polls in game. All the population will be exposed to it and players who want the game improve will defiantly answer them. Something to think about.

Thanks

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LordArtemis
11.08.2013 , 04:20 PM | #537
I like that PVP showed up to represent. They were being underrepresented IMO. I also find it interesting that "new class" has pulled ahead a bit, so now the top three is different. Number one is still class story by a wide margin, which is no surprise to me.

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DOHboy
11.08.2013 , 05:08 PM | #538
Quote: Originally Posted by Ottoattack View Post
Hi Eric,

Talking from experience, I am a CPA and an auditor, and I deal with sampling a lot. As you sample size gets bigger, the likely hood of it not representing the population gets smaller. Based on the pool count, we currently have 1,600 votes as I posted this rely. I would agree that the population we are drawing from the sample, is not your avg. population, as the majority of people on the forums vary between regular players and hardcore players. Never the less, these represent a good chunk of the subscribers base.

A better way to obtain an even more inclusive polls is to have the polls in game. All the population will be exposed to it and players who want the game improve will defiantly answer them. Something to think about.

Thanks
Not really, depending on subscription numbers. This is partially due to the fact that only subscribers are able to post on the forums. so if half the player base if f2p, this poll only represents say 0.1% of the half that is allowed to post.

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LordArtemis
11.08.2013 , 05:42 PM | #539
When the choice is no voice at all, or at least some kind of voice, it is at least prudent to pay attention to that voice, even if it is considered along with other metrics.

I am of the opinion that the voices here have value, only because many predicted the pitfalls of the original design and what would follow...and the original dev team ignored the warnings to their own peril.

The community here seems rather intuitive IMO.

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JediMasterSLC
11.08.2013 , 06:12 PM | #540
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
Not really, depending on subscription numbers. This is partially due to the fact that only subscribers are able to post on the forums. so if half the player base if f2p, this poll only represents say 0.1% of the half that is allowed to post.
Who cares about what f2pers think? The people who will base their financial commitment to this game on BW's decisions and effort regarding future content are more likely to be the same kind of people who would vote in a poll like this.
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