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View Poll Results: Vote for what you want most for future content...Pick up to 5
Class Story 2,572 69.93%
Operations 1,039 28.25%
PvP Content (Warzones, Arena's etc) 1,379 37.49%
Companions 1,027 27.92%
Space Content (beyond what is coming already) 654 17.78%
Planets 1,550 42.14%
Crew Skills and Crafting 623 16.94%
Character Customization Options (Hair, Faces, Body sizes, etc) 898 24.42%
Legacy 931 25.31%
Mini Games (Sabacc, Pod racing, pazaak, etc) 1,403 38.15%
Playable Races 1,077 29.28%
New Class 1,526 41.49%
Other 242 6.58%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 3678. You may not vote on this poll

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DOHboy
11.07.2013 , 12:36 PM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafaman View Post
Fair enough, Eric et. al. Polls like this can be misconstrued. Polls like this can be flawed in execution. However, the data points gathered have value. I think Artemis has it right.

I personally would like to see more polls as a method of garnering discussion and gathering data. The caveat would be that the polls do not singularly set criteria or the agenda for BW and future development. But it can certainly provide insights into what subs here are thinking at a particular moment in time.

In terms of discussion, this thread has been more fruitful than most even if posters didn't agree with the poll or polling method. And the outcome while not surprising gives us, the forums, topics to delve into. ie: What, does "Planets" mean; what is in the "Other" catagory, etc. etc.

I say we keep this type of thing going.
Quote: Originally Posted by weejohnathon View Post
I may sound a little defeated here but this poll is just showing what many many threads have stated the desire for more class story which was what was promised with this mmo. If I was asked to give one unique thing about this game is that you feel like your character is important and truly unique through your choices. However from what Eric has said and I may be taking this wrong is that they will still see this as a small percent just like all the other threads created which makes me feel like this poll is a waste of time as their reasoning for not doing more class story content is that they don't feel the time needed for the content is worth the investment.
here in lies what others have said, and Eric (as i see it) implied. The poll shows nothing more than what 350 people, who happen to visit the forums and bothered to vote, feel. It in no way speaks for the "entire community". If they could ensure that the community on the forums could constitute a statistically viable sample size (1% of the community equally represented) which is difficult at best. Additionally anything that this poll would arrive at has no power other than "hey some people would like this". The devs see this for what it is, a small sample of people on the forums and what they feel is important. However, taking into account all the factors the poll is a sample point at best. As Eric has stated, people WILL misinterpret the poll results. Not adhering to the poll can be seen as "ignoring the community" and vice verse where if the poll actually predicts the devs next action, that all future polls also then should be followed least they be "ignoring the community".

What Eric simply stated the inherit problems with unscientific polls. He did not say that due to small sample size the results are ignored and thus will never come to pass. He in fact said nothing of the results, only that the results hold no real value outside of their context as a random poll of a small sample of people who happen to visit the forums.

He could have said simply "thank you for your input and consideration, we will take these under advisement but make no statement on future content. We respect our community and try to take as much feedback as we can into account when making decisions."

At best an in game vote of all players on a particular topic wold be about the only way to create a true feedback on what player base wants.

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11.07.2013 , 12:41 PM | #322
I think one of the more interesting statistics to come out of this poll is roughly how many people actively participate in the General Discussion forum.
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11.07.2013 , 12:46 PM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I agree with you entirely! General Discussion and this forums can certainly be a great representation of the playerbase at large, and its opinions. I don't want you to get the idea that I was saying otherwise. My reasoning is specifically tied to polls. Again, not that polls are bad, just that in many cases players can misunderstand poll results as "undeniable proof" of a point. It is when you can put a tangible number behind an opinion that things get a bit tricky and that is where the "in a vacuum" comment comes in. (like the Warzone type example I made)

-eric
While we are on the subject of future content, things feel kind of quiet at the moment. May be just a perception problem but just curious on if we will be hearing anything future content related. Seems like its been a couple weeks since the blog entry of "Galactic Starfighter Development, Introduction: Part I" and I'm kind of expecting a part 2 with just the having part 1 in the first title.

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11.07.2013 , 12:49 PM | #324
I will admit I have absolutely zero interest In pve unless it is class story. Best thing about this game period.
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Jedi_Thran_Kuro
11.07.2013 , 12:50 PM | #325
I'd like to see an extension of the class story. But what I'd most like to see are:

1. customizable personal space - our ships would be one way of doing this. But think SWG housing.
2. minigames. We have all these damned casinos. What for? Give us Pazaak! Give us dejarik!

It's a bit dull when there's really nothing at all to do but combat.

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AlrikFassbauer
11.07.2013 , 12:50 PM | #326
I just can't believe that I just voted what most people voted as well ! Normally, I'm such a freak and I'm so much different than everybody else !!!
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Elminster_cs
11.07.2013 , 12:51 PM | #327
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I will spare you the math, but if hundreds of thousands of people play SWTOR, 300 is a fraction of a percent.
This. even more than 2k of player voting is a fraction of a percent, so it is not relevant.
I remember a poll here:

What language would you like to see in swtor?
Italian was the first, before German and France... with 400 votes or more... of course (i'm Italian), this was not a relevant poll, because as always is a small percent.
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eartharioch
11.07.2013 , 12:53 PM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
I'm going to go ahead and bring in another Bioware forums, game, and poll as an example.

DA3 forums had a poll(player made) that indicated that roughly 50% of the people who took the poll viewed the inclusion of other races as make or break for whether they'd buy they game. Bioware's internal metrics however(per dev statement, I believe it was Gaider who brought the number up) showed that over 90% of people who bought and played Dragon Age Origins never played any race besides human.


The bias introduced by self-selection in polls, and the bias created by the fact that the general forums population most likely does not closely emulate that population break down of players, are very real.
The selection bias of your anecdotes is also very real. Just saying.
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11.07.2013 , 12:55 PM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
I agree with you entirely! General Discussion and this forums can certainly be a great representation of the playerbase at large, and its opinions. I don't want you to get the idea that I was saying otherwise. My reasoning is specifically tied to polls. Again, not that polls are bad, just that in many cases players can misunderstand poll results as "undeniable proof" of a point. It is when you can put a tangible number behind an opinion that things get a bit tricky and that is where the "in a vacuum" comment comes in. (like the Warzone type example I made)

-eric
How, then, do folks actuallys learn what players want ? Metrics alone aren't able to tell you about wishes ... Since wishes are emotions, especially, and as such, emotions cannot be found via logic (and thus via metrics), because emotions are outside of logic ...

And if you don't do polls - how, then ? Polls on other web sites don't count. They would produce similarily small numbers like thgis poll here, you know.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
DA3 forums had a poll(player made) that indicated that roughly 50% of the people who took the poll viewed the inclusion of other races as make or break for whether they'd buy they game. Bioware's internal metrics however(per dev statement, I believe it was Gaider who brought the number up) showed that over 90% of people who bought and played Dragon Age Origins never played any race besides human.

The bias introduced by self-selection in polls, and the bias created by the fact that the general forums population most likely does not closely emulate that population break down of players, are very real.
The failure in this metrics-based "evidence" is even far, far bigger :

Dragon Age players are AN ENTIRE DIFFERENT kinds of players than the usual Star Wars fans & MMO players !!!

People were attracted by DA's promise that it would represent an "spiritual successor of Baldur's Gate", and thus, it attracted hardcore RPG players to a great part.

And, hardcore RPG players have an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT need for things built in into RPGs than the MMO crowd has or than "the usual Star Wars fan" has !
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11.07.2013 , 12:59 PM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by Elminster_cs View Post
This. even more than 2k of player voting is a fraction of a percent, so it is not relevant.
I remember a poll here:

What language would you like to see in swtor?
Italian was the first, before German and France... with 400 votes or more... of course (i'm Italian), this was not a relevant poll, because as always is a small percent.
not only that, but its a small fraction of a particular base. Those people who visit the forums and those that bothered to push a button.

The forum community is not an equal representation of the fan base. It might be the most passionate, but is not an "average player". As an example suppose only the people who sub AND purchase items off the CM bothered to vote. Would that poll supporting expanding the CM and items being offered be a reasonable representation of the community? what if they had a choice between new items exclusive to the CM or gear on a vendor open to all? Would that be "accurate" of the community? Probably not, and the inherit flaw in the forums and polls on forums. It is not a general enough representation to be accurate to indicate it represents even an average sample of the player base, not just a small%