Sorcerer Changes Brainstorming

I pvp only and as tk sage I have topped dps many times, even in times with some of the best smashers in the wz. As tk my highest is just under 1.8k. But in the end of the day topping dps is not what a wz is all about. IMO after 2.0 sage dps, and in particular tk was a good improvement and brought many more dps sages in ranked teams.

All talk bit no links. Give me links otherwise what you say has no validity. You asked for a boss or smth and I've given you one. Your turn.

I'm not sure. I think they are comparable. When sages crit have higher damage than commandos and turbu is an autocrit. I think both classes are fairly similar.

I think i missed that link cause there is no boss where a sage or sorc does top dps on torparse.com =) I wont bother to link cause im posting from my phone now, but look at 8m HM DP on torparse.com ( i judge you can find that for yourself) , if I am not mistaken thats one of the bosses where there are no sages or sorcs.

Anyway I agree that they need to improve resource regen for seer pvp. TK on the other hand its fine (for pvp) . Its harder to play but as you said you can easily top dps with it. Maybe it could have increased survival skills like improved incoming heals , a self spammable bubble ( ofc locking the rate which the mezz can happen ) or even making damage dealing abilities having a chance to heal you or increase damage reduction but I am afraid that this sort of skill set should come with a decrease in dps, which is what sorcs definitely DONT need.

Demo round hits for 10k

I am beginning to come to that conclusion

Well actually Handcuff (sage) is top dps for Operator 9 in 16 man hm (As dread fortress and Palace are still bugged on torparse, i wouldn't count them).

All together for the 12 bosses in sv/tfb (both 8 and 16 man) we have (as top dps on torparse without counting parses with dieing):
17 snipers/slingers
4 maras/sentinels
1 Sorc/Sage
1 Powertech/Vanguard
1 Operative/Scoundrel

What does your comparision of the dps classes tell us then: Sorcs are the 3rd best dps class (together with Powertech and Operative).

To be fair if we're getting pushback in PVP the static bubble wouldn't last more than a single global anyway, and the tooltip does NOT say anything about providing pushback protection. I just logged in and double-checked that. The only practical case when we don't have our bubble instapopping is when we're in the background not attracting attention at all, in which case we're not getting pushback. So it's really hard to notice unless you're specifically testing for it (and I did shut up rather quickly, yes)?

Now needing viable CC after some derp melee breaks your stun without consequence and finding whirlwind a 3.5 second cast because some RDPS is also focusing you while you sprint away from said melee, and said melee is able to obliterate back to you and smash you because the cast time of that CC is effectively doubled, is quite the visceral experience. And if we're under fire at all static barrier simply doesn't last the global it takes to use it, rendering its use for pushback protection ineffective. I can't see how you can argue with that. SB hasn't scaled properly with stat increases since launch at all. At launch it used to be godly, now it's barely noticeable.

Even so, I would have dealt with pushback more directly--crushing darkness and whirlwind both need direct pushback protection in the second tier. Even better, the blatant Reserves skill tax needs to be replaced with insta WW where all sorcs can get it (bake the extra 100 force into the AC, taking the talent is mandatory no matter what spec you run so it's a skill tax that must be eliminated with extreme predjudice and incinerated in the middle of the nearest star). Putting it in lightning also keeps it out of the hands of sins, which is a good thing because insta WW was also taken away from us because it was too powerful for sins that also had even more CC on top of that. Thus avoiding the mistake you seem to believe I would have made.

Just putting it out there it changed when dots stopped affecting force armor. A few patches back

Another thing I seen a lot of people complaining in another thread that the changes to madness/balance dots is a nerf to sorc/sage because of the change to force armor and dots not affecting us while it is up we have a passive defense to dots with force armor.