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2.4 Tank Builds


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dipstik
12.06.2013 , 02:41 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by leto_cleon View Post
Interesting... in terms of the DTPS levels, the Arkanian Warding relic is slightly better than the Dread Forged one on Shadows and Guardians. Vanguards are the opposite.
ah, that is most likey a mistake. i will double check and update.

will update the pcp to pvp lol.

and, changes to what happens after defense and shield rolls will not affect stat distribution. that is why there were no stat distribution changes due to 2.5.

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Aetideus
12.06.2013 , 02:47 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
heres some pvp info: full obroan gives 630 shield minimum and a budget of 1787 (without relics), no defense minimum (except from relic) for shadows and vanguards (both which want zero). this assumes 40% m/r k/e, 40% f/t k/e and 20% f/t i/e. no 90% accuracy attacks. maybe i should assume pvp dpers have 5% accuracy. 7k incoming damage per second.

shadow:
Defense 0
Shield 744
Absorb 1043
pre armor squish 0.493112319
total squish 0.403561433
pre heals/absorb dtps 2824.93
post heals dtps 2824.93
damage per HP 2.477937481
spike 0.055240042
required hps 2640.121522
TTK 16.74417685


jugg:

Defense 260
Shield 685
Absorb 841
pre armor squish 0.591053107
total squish 0.426151005
pre heals/absorb dtps 2983
post heals dtps 2849.72
damage per HP 2.346586043
spike 0.052670474
TTK 14.36819998


PT:

Defense 0
Shield 1087
Absorb 700
pre armor squish 0.554912056
total squish 0.408129335
pre heals/absorb dtps 2857
post heals dtps 2856.91
damage per HP 2.450203683
spike 0.060011606
TTK 14.7012221


the 4% from telekinetic throw might be a bad assumption. let me know what you think would be better assumptions and ill put them in the model and spit out some new numebrs.
According to a lot of people, 4% might occur less often than a date with Kate Moss.

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dipstik
12.06.2013 , 03:56 PM | #83
im open to plugging in whatever seems reasonable. i need to know what accuracy pvp dps typically have. in terms of the number of stacks of the 1% damage reduction buff, no idea. should i just calc for 2% or 0?

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Aetideus
12.06.2013 , 08:51 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
im open to plugging in whatever seems reasonable. i need to know what accuracy pvp dps typically have. in terms of the number of stacks of the 1% damage reduction buff, no idea. should i just calc for 2% or 0?
Possibly 0 stacks, 91M/101F accuracy for tank. 100M/110F for dps.

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DogEyedBoy
12.06.2013 , 10:45 PM | #85
All tanks have 3% accuracy within their trees. Assassins will typically not be without this as the skill also provides a boost to damage reduction and is required to progress up the tank tree. Juggernauts and Powertechs are more likely to run without taking these accuracy boosts as they aren't in their tanking trees, but they are also very accessible, being on the first (PT) or second (Jugg) line of a DPS tree.

Why you would run with 100%/110% accuracy in PvP I don't know. Nobody but tanks and Inquisitors have more than 5% defense, and even with 100%/110% accuracy you're still going to miss tanks. Most DPS I know take just one or two accuracy enhancements on top of their 94%/104% base.

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JowyBlight
01.28.2014 , 04:38 PM | #86
So on my Vanguard tank(full 78 Dread Forge) i've been running an Obroan reactive warding and DF Shield Amp. I've been seeing alot of people saw in the forums that even Van/Pt should be using the redoubt equivalent instead of the shield amp, but doesn't make sense to me since this class of tank is so shield and Absorb heavy. Am I wrong? Or should i not bother caring much. There is still so confusion on the tank relics these days. I know I still alot have talked to many tanks that still not sure why reactive warding is BIS given its long Cooldown (40 secs).

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leto_cleon
01.28.2014 , 05:30 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by JowyBlight View Post
There is still so confusion on the tank relics these days. I know I still alot have talked to many tanks that still not sure why reactive warding is BIS given its long Cooldown (40 secs).
In terms of the Reactive Warding relic, the Arkanian one is better due to the actual shorter lockout timing of 20s. This means you are getting -740 damage around every ~23s instead of the Dread Forged -1360 every ~43s. Once your dtps exceeds ~2000, the Shield Amplification relics are better than reactive warding. Thok is better at explaining this last bit.

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KeyboardNinja
01.29.2014 , 10:55 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by JowyBlight View Post
So on my Vanguard tank(full 78 Dread Forge) i've been running an Obroan reactive warding and DF Shield Amp. I've been seeing alot of people saw in the forums that even Van/Pt should be using the redoubt equivalent instead of the shield amp, but doesn't make sense to me since this class of tank is so shield and Absorb heavy. Am I wrong? Or should i not bother caring much. There is still so confusion on the tank relics these days. I know I still alot have talked to many tanks that still not sure why reactive warding is BIS given its long Cooldown (40 secs).
The fortunate redoubt relic has a higher contribution to mean mitigation than the shield amplification, even for vanguards/powertechs. The class may look very shield/absorb heavy, but if you hunt through the tree, you'll find a lot of bonuses to defense as well.

Basically, BiS relics for all tanks are the Reactive Warding and Fortunate Redoubt relics.
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dipstik
01.29.2014 , 05:09 PM | #89
if it wasnt for the static defense that only the def proc relic gives, it would be about equal to the absorb proc relic. bu because of the static def on the relic, it comes out a bit ahead.

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MillionsKNives
02.18.2014 , 11:20 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by KeyboardNinja View Post
The fortunate redoubt relic has a higher contribution to mean mitigation than the shield amplification, even for vanguards/powertechs. The class may look very shield/absorb heavy, but if you hunt through the tree, you'll find a lot of bonuses to defense as well.

Basically, BiS relics for all tanks are the Reactive Warding and Fortunate Redoubt relics.
Currently I'm running UW Fortunate Redoubt and Shield Amplification. I got my first DF drop, should I be getting Fortunate Redoubt and then Reactive Warding, or the other way around?