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foxmob
10.03.2013 , 02:02 PM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by maverickmatt View Post
Tell me how hard it is to play Operative heals, never run out of energy, put out massive heal numbers, and have utility a healer should NEVER have (heal from cover? ***. Out of combat mezz? I thought you were heals. Oh wait, you have a supergapcloser? No, no way you're a healer....)
it is pretty funny how many escapes an op/scoundrel healer has. I think you neglected one of their best: dat aoe mezz. I think the flash bang is legit, btw. just saying...ton of escapes for what is already the slipperiest of healing classes (rarely have to stand still).
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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 02:03 PM | #152
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeieveli View Post
Sounds like a Lrn2play issue there. "BW nerf this class because the player countered everything I threw at him, I have no patience and dont know how to counter classes, NERF NOW"
Isn't always how the nerf start? some nerfs are evident that are need but others are caused due bad players dont even try learn the other class mechanic, i never cried for the nerf on pyro, and still had to learn how and when to use the defense skills on the right time.
Some times i die other i win, but some players simply wanna have the whole time the advantage over others

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Technohic
10.03.2013 , 02:17 PM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeieveli View Post
Sounds like a Lrn2play issue there. "BW nerf this class because the player countered everything I threw at him, I have no patience and dont know how to counter classes, NERF NOW"
Just to be clear; you did or didn't catch my sarcasm? I know it's hard to detect on the internet.

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Sathid
10.03.2013 , 02:24 PM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by Zez-Kai-Ell View Post
Isn't always how the nerf start? some nerfs are evident that are need but others are caused due bad players dont even try learn the other class mechanic, i never cried for the nerf on pyro, and still had to learn how and when to use the defense skills on the right time.
Some times i die other i win, but some players simply wanna have the whole time the advantage over others
Hmm my Scoundrel sure recalls the 100's of posts that were daily here when he was a scrapper,then three nerfs later we finally get something and there is still calls to kill the class.

Fact is,is that Sent/Mar's are a little out of whack with the D CD's.

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Mikeieveli
10.03.2013 , 02:29 PM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
Hmm my Scoundrel sure recalls the 100's of posts that were daily here when he was a scrapper,then three nerfs later we finally get something and there is still calls to kill the class.

Fact is,is that Sent/Mar's are a little out of whack with the D CD's.
Thats not a fact, thats your opinion, in fact you offer nothing empirical to claim its a fact. (see what I did there, that is a fact)
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bsbrad
10.03.2013 , 02:33 PM | #156
Quote: Originally Posted by Morde_ View Post
BWAHAHAHAH IT'S TlME FOR CONCEALMENT TO ONCE AGAlN RULE THE GALAXY
Nope concealment still has to hide in the corner
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Sathid
10.03.2013 , 02:37 PM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeieveli View Post
Thats not a fact, thats your opinion, in fact you offer nothing empirical to claim its a fact. (see what I did there, that is a fact)
Ok but honesty is the best policy and i know what i see and apparently the PvP dev's believe so too,they look at the metrics and math does not lie.

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Zez-Kai-Ell
10.03.2013 , 02:41 PM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
Hmm my Scoundrel sure recalls the 100's of posts that were daily here when he was a scrapper,then three nerfs later we finally get something and there is still calls to kill the class.

Fact is,is that Sent/Mar's are a little out of whack with the D CD's.
yes true but like am saying all this time, only smasher, since rebuke will deal more damage and last longer obviously make him op, now if is a combat or watchman its not a big deal to kill him, and i will not **** with saber ward which is the best to counter scraper but is 3 min cd.
people need to compare how class perform on several trees, and lets face it, focus changes the current defense skills to better, is obvious where problem is, but i know bw will make crap like alwys, then they will nerf the def skills, but on focus it will stay untouched or even better, then people strill cry for a nerf, i guess they will be happier when whole sentinels and i mean all of them are playing smash, then thy will rage quit wz because a group have 4 or more smashers and cant heal nothing or survive more than 5 secs after res pawn or then they will all roll smasher, then it will eventually achieve a point where both teams is like 7 or 8 smashers in group, and is really fun watching both teams smashing each others on massive aoe and see who is the last standing man...

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Philelectric
10.03.2013 , 02:43 PM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterSLC View Post
I just hope they remember to only nerf smash. No one who knows what they're talking about thinks combat is too strong, and I'm not even sure it's possible to nerf watchman more.
Translation:

OH! NO the realised my class is OP, I like my OP class, plz dont nerf my OP class cuz it isnt OP

On a serious note, if the use the ''uncleansable dot thing'' they are going to use with balance/madness shadow/assassin, annihilation might become a very powerfull spec in pvp, other than that, the spec shouldnt be nerfed or buffed imo.

Combat/carnage...yeah I think its fine, the burst is pretty much like the assassin/shadow (very powerfull and borderline OP when stars align but super useless if RNG god hates you.

Smash..I think a nerf might be needed.
Guarding a healer is not only the job the the skill ''guard''. It is also your job to stay around the healer to be a plague for the people attacking the healer.

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L-RANDLE
10.03.2013 , 02:44 PM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeieveli View Post
Thats not a fact, thats your opinion, in fact you offer nothing empirical to claim its a fact. (see what I did there, that is a fact)
No he is right to a point. The defense is too high, but the offense is too low to remove it.

To balance the entire class:
1. UDR to a speccable talent, high in the Focus Tree (both ACs).
2. Significantly increase damage reflect and passive healing on Ani.
3. Slight increases in energy management, speed, and debuffs on Carn.
4. Move Smash proc to Sweeping Slash.
5. Significantly increase Retaliation and Blaster reflect on Shien.
6. Add a guard talent to increase range of guard on the Immortal Tree.

/balanced
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