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Accuracy @NIM for Tanks


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sergos
09.13.2013 , 04:03 AM | #1
Hello @ All,

I wont to know how imprtant accurcy is in NIM Content for tanks. We have DPS issues at Dashrode. We get him allwayes at 5%. We reach that value only when both tanks and both healer get portet.

1) I am playing an Guardian and i have avarage ~730 DPS throught the fight. Is that enought?

2) Should i exchange some of my deffstats to offensive stats like power or ap?

3) Or shoud i go for accuracy?

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Anthraxal
09.13.2013 , 04:21 AM | #2
I'm no specialist of tanks, but I will give you my 2 cents anyway :

While a bit more dps is always a good thing, there is no way imo that it should be detrimental to your specialized tanking stats. If you fall short of 5%, it is the dps classes of your group who should progress, not you who should dps significantly more. As a side note, the end of Dashroode fight in NIM should see every player that was NOT teleported use their personnal environmental shield and, if available, Snipers/Gunslinger's shield on the raid.

Concerning Accuracy, one of our tanks regularly ask the dps to hold on for a few seconds before launching their alpha, because his 93% accuracy can mean a Resist on his first taunt. This is maybe one reason to push Accuracy a bit further, but imo you shouldn't do it for the sole purpose of a small increase in your own dps.

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atschai
09.13.2013 , 04:29 AM | #3
Our healers usually DPS a bit on that fight.
Scoundrels can get up to 900 DPS when they help with the adds and keep DoTs on the boss.
Tank DPS about 1000 should be a good value.
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sergos
09.13.2013 , 04:32 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthraxal View Post
Concerning Accuracy, one of our tanks regularly ask the dps to hold on for a few seconds before launching their alpha, because his 93% accuracy can mean a Resist on his first taunt. This is maybe one reason to push Accuracy a bit further, but imo you shouldn't do it for the sole purpose of a small increase in your own dps.
Thank you for that hint. I recognised that several times, so i had to use my secound taunt. I was wondering, why my taunt didn't work.

Quote: Originally Posted by atschai View Post
Our healers usually DPS a bit on that fight.
Scoundrels can get up to 900 DPS when they help with the adds and keep DoTs on the boss.
Tank DPS about 1000 should be a good value.
To drive 1000 dps i have to use offensive equip, i think. Can you post me some torparse results of that dps, especially from your tank? I only manage to reach 870 max dps on a dummy with 40 apm, where i dont get kicked or have to run to the raid. My eqip is at lvl 72 with one 75 peace.
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AAAAzrael
09.13.2013 , 05:05 AM | #5
Taunts cannot miss. This was corrected in a patch.


Also tank DPS on dummy has nothing to do with tank DPS on boss fight so don't compared that as if you are not actively tanking you are focus-starved.

I found some log from myself from couple of attempts at him last Sunday http://www.torparse.com/a/416387 Unfortunately no kill due to healing issues. DPS is oscillating around 900 DPS. My guardian is typically 50-80DPS lower then my shadow, unfortunately I don't have guardian parse from NiM.
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Anthraxal
09.13.2013 , 05:13 AM | #6
I beg you to differ, it happened again very recently.

Now, if i understood my tank right, his problem is not Miss, but built-in boss Resistance that supposedly can be partially overcome only through superior Accuracy.

Anyway, as I said, i'm no tank specialist.

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atschai
09.13.2013 , 05:14 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by sergos View Post
To drive 1000 dps i have to use offensive equip, i think. Can you post me some torparse results of that dps, especially from your tank? I only manage to reach 870 max dps on a dummy with 40 apm, where i dont get kicked or have to run to the raid. My eqip is at lvl 72 with one 75 peace.
Well 1000 might have been a bit high.
Here is our group parse from last night:
http://www.torparse.com/g/8216
I know that our other tank who was not in that parse has higher DPS though, in the 900 area definitely. I think DPS is so high because of guardian AoE with force sweep and such.
I know that both tanks have around 95% accuracy, 3% with spec, 1% through legacy and 1 acc enhancement.
Edit: Nvm, I found a log from our other tank on NM:
http://www.torparse.com/a/412772/5/0/Damage+Dealt
Keep in mind that the tank who takes the shield has significantly lower DPSs as he cannot DPS while moving the boss to the next generator.

Still, I would say that DPS is not your concern, let the DDs figure that out. It's more about the positioning of the boss so all DPS can go full out on damage without being kicked around. We usually put the tanks against the generators with the DDs up against the rock. The first wave of adds on the generator gets mass CC'd until the second wave arrives and then it's quadruple freighter flyby on them. This way DPS can all focus on boss damage all the time.
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AAAAzrael
09.13.2013 , 05:23 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthraxal View Post
I beg you to differ, it happened again very recently.

Now, if i understood my tank right, his problem is not Miss, but built-in boss Resistance that supposedly can be partially overcome only through superior Accuracy.

Anyway, as I said, i'm no tank specialist.
I would rather think that missed taunt to be some kind of false cooldown/no activation thing then actual miss but you would have to look at the combat log.

Anyway taunts are not the issue and certainly not in Dash fight As adds cannot be taunted on NiM both tanks have 2 taunts to use if needed and they are only maybe needed when tank is first knocked into the air.
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AAAAzrael
09.13.2013 , 05:24 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by atschai View Post
The first wave of adds on the generator gets mass CC'd until the second wave arrives and then it's quadruple freighter flyby on them. This way DPS can all focus on boss damage all the time.
Wow that is nice idea. Thanks!
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AAAAzrael
09.13.2013 , 05:40 AM | #10
BTW: I am pretty sure there is somewhere on this forum mathematical explanation of why power gives more return in terms of DPS the accuracy for tanks and that if absolutely more DPS from a tank is needed that it's worth to swap in power crystal/relics and not accuracy.
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