Keybinds vs clicking

True, but not all skills respect the global cooldown (where keybinders have the edge), and any alacrity-granting skills drastically reduce that GCD as well. The other reason the piano analogy actually works very well is that the keys are always the exact same distance apart, thus muscle memory can develop. You can't develop the same kind of muscle memory if you have to move your cursor away from your hotbar, because then the distance to get back there is NOT always the same. Unless there's something I'm missing?

They don't NEED to be. But it's also misleading to insinuate that there are no drawbacks to clicking over keybinding, because there are. The topic was not, "Can I get by with keybinds?" The topic was, "Is one superior?"

I can type at around 98 words a minute with 93 percent accuracy even while having people talk to me the last time I bothered to test that. Are you sincerely suggesting that clicking stuff off the global cooldown is going to top the response that I can muster, when also factoring in superior movement and situational awareness I get from not needing to look at my hotkeys? This is possible because -- again -- my hotkeys are always exactly the same distance apart.

If hotkeying is like playing a piano, clicking is like playing the violin -- where there's honestly way more room for error by moving your finger just slightly, slightly off where it should be. There is a tactile indicator that your hands are not properly placed on a keyboard. There is not one with clicking.

There are tons of people posting (myself included) who used to be a clicker, tried keybinds and forever advocated keybinding afterward. I don't recall any clickers who tried keybinding and went back to clicking. Food for thought.

(And no, before someone does the "hur hurr bragging on your typing I do 200 WPM" or whatever, I'm not bragging. I'm probably average in this techology-savvy age. I'm also not claiming to be super awesome PvPer -- but I'm a damn sight better than I would be if I clicked.)

Keybinder PvPers: The New Age Armory <Explicits>

Yes it gives a slight advantage, but let's be honest, if you aren't good at MMO's you simply aren't good at MMO's and no amount of keybinding is going to save you.

I'm a clicker, still do well thanks, it's the way I've played since EQ, DaoC, etc it's the way I'll continue to play, not hard to shift your most useful skills into the nook of your hotbar that's easiest to reach, pop your cooldowns on the non-hot key bar and your longterm buffs on the sidebar.

It takes nothing away and is only a placebo effect.

Oh and trust me DaoC PvP...was a LOT harder than SWTOR PvP, by a long chalk.

I have 3 of my bars key-bound - yet I still need at least 1 second to remember what this keybind was doing. Time lost.
Plus, meanwhile I have these 3 bars key-bound, I do actually click ("gasp !") on the rarely used skills (like buffing team members, for example).

On the other hand, meanwhile I have problems memorizing some things, all of the Genesis songs I learned 20 years ago are still in my memory. Words just stick far, far better in my memory than keybinds - except names. I have an notoriously bad memory for names. Even although these are words, too.

Yes, but few people have this skill of typing.

Plus, it must be trained, too.

You don't need to be a fast typer to make keybinding the right choice though.
Actually 10 finger keyboard operating is a whole lot different than playing a game.

Thank you for the reply, when I get the chance I'll look how other gamers place their hands and see if I can comfortably manage that, though you didn't make it sound like there's any harm using Ctrl (and to a lesser extend Alt) instead of Shift, something I did fear since every other gamer I know uses Shift. I'm quite relieved, thank you! Though no harm in trying a new things. I'm obsessed with keybinds because I can't click abilities properly, so anything I use needs to be bound. The easier the better.

True. Though you know how I got to that point of typing speed? Practice, same way you guys (not you specifically) learn where to click things. The other advantage hotkeying has over clicking is that you actually can apply those typing muscle memories to other things (tell me computer proficiency isn't important these days).

Again. Imo the biggest thing to consider is that lots of people were clickers, tried keybinding and advocated keybinding thereafter. Is there a post where a clicker got proficient with keybinding and then decided clicking was better? I haven't seen it.

THAT, imo, is very telling.

I wasn't argueing against you, I simply made a statement that people shouldn't confuse the one with the other while the two have little to no relevance ^^

jusr curious about this so i will just ask..i notice how you always brag on Xinika and Evolixe like they are your heroes..seems you always want to follow there examples of enlightenment..i'm pretty sure they both use keybinds and mouse turn..so why you not using it as well i mean since you always try to be like them from what i read of your posts in different threads..

So......

Several guitarists claim Page, Beck, and Clapton are their heroes... yet they have a different style of play that echoes very little, if any, of the 3.

Your point is irrelevant.

Furthermore, I wouldn't call either of them "enlightened" concerning any matter. They are both proponents of "BAKPEDAL NEVAR EVAR EVAR EVAR U SUK".. which is in itselt lacking enlightenment (don't be so rigid) and play like it's a jousting tournament (run through, turn, run through).

The point is...


It's rather stupid to say something like, " YOU MUST WEAR UNDER ARMOR! UNDER ARMOR DA BESTEST AND DA 1 N NLY TRU WAY TO WIN. FRUIT OF DA LOOM IS FOR BADDIES"



Get a grip. It's a game AND nobody is being paid to play it.

The SWTOR PvP forums are pretty adorable. Front page there's like at least 5 topics talking about clicking and backpeddaling.