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Keybinds vs clicking

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Keybinds vs clicking

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madcappah
09.05.2013 , 12:53 PM | #161
The idiocy is strong with this thread.
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demystified
09.05.2013 , 12:54 PM | #162
If this game had macros like world of warcraft, you don't need to keybind. In WoW, you can just put 3 abilities at mouse button down and one reactive ability at mouse button up and you are good. You are better than most players.

In this game, we don't have macros. If you can't keybind in this game. You shouldn't play melee. It is easy to tell which players don't have a keybind. There is a lot of them in this game. I see 2 mellee players just standing, hitting each other, which means they are just clicking abilities. If one of them had a keybind, one would be strafing.

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cashogy_reborn
09.05.2013 , 01:04 PM | #163
Quote: Originally Posted by maverickmatt View Post
So then you agree that a Clicker who possesses all the other traits you listed is greater than a keybinder who doesn't understand strategy or other classes?

I thought as much.


For keybinding to boost you to the levels that every claims, you need to be at least adept at the other areas you listed. If you are not, Keybinding isn't going to help you much.

Even in 1v1. A clicking sniper who knows how to beat a shadow is better than a keybinding shadow who has no idea how to counter a sniper.
I guess I agree with the bolded, but a spade is a spade. If you click, youre bad. If you dont understand WZ tactics, you are bad. If you dont know how to communicate or anticipate, you are bad.

Youre just arguing varying degrees of bad-ness, to which I say amiigaf.
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Helig
09.05.2013 , 01:12 PM | #164
Quote: Originally Posted by maverickmatt View Post
And so I ask you this..

A keybinder who never taunts, never properly rotates, never changes to defense stance when the situation calls for it, doesn't know where the rest of his team is in relation to himself, doesn't know the enemy team's position.

All he knows is HIT 1 HIT 4 HIT 3 HIT A F EG W E R T H G C X Z STRAFE STRAFE STUN STUN.
Ahem, I said *basic* class knowledge. Taunts and basic rotations, defenses and general strategy/knowledge of what he's supposed to be doing is basic knowledge. Stuff that you'd expect from common sense. Advanced is knowing the quirks like juggling procs with the Carnage tree, speed-overloads and jump down the abyss=>force pull=>phase walk back to safety.
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madtycoon
09.05.2013 , 01:13 PM | #165
Quote: Originally Posted by demystified View Post
If this game had macros like world of warcraft, you don't need to keybind. In WoW, you can just put 3 abilities at mouse button down and one reactive ability at mouse button up and you are good. You are better than most players.

In this game, we don't have macros. If you can't keybind in this game. You shouldn't play melee.
lol this is why we'll never get macros in this game, because people don't even understand that in game cast sequence macros don't even work in WoW and for some reason people think that adding macros means people will be able to just put all their abilities on one button which you can do right now anyways in swtor if you don't mind the red spam crap in the middle of your screen.

Don't pretend that keybinding means anything in the bulk of warzones or pvp in SWTOR. Binding all your abilities is so minimal in the outcome of most pvp scenarios in this game that it really doesn't matter. I constantly get 100 to 0d on my sniper when i don't have trinket up from backpeddaling, clicking concealment operatives that trinket legshot. Keybinding your abilities won't magically give you RNG crits or prevent RNG deflects or save you from poorly designed, retard friendly meta that litters this game. I could make the claim that clicking is probably even encouraged, because frankly I bet clickers don't have to worry about the global cooldown bug.

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maverickmatt
09.05.2013 , 01:13 PM | #166
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
I guess I agree with the bolded, but a spade is a spade. If you click, youre bad. If you dont understand WZ tactics, you are bad. If you dont know how to communicate or anticipate, you are bad.

Youre just arguing varying degrees of bad-ness, to which I say amiigaf.
By your very definition, 99% of the players in this game are bad players.

So, for 99% of the players, keybinding makes zero difference in the grand scheme. It is worthless without supporting knowledge.

Anyway, my point is proven. Keybinding is great if you have all the tools necessary to compete, but your lack of movement hinders you. It is pointless if you do not possess a groundwork skillset.

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foxmob
09.05.2013 , 01:16 PM | #167
how is this thread still alive? ppl complain about the premades thread. this is FAR more cut and dry.
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maverickmatt
09.05.2013 , 01:16 PM | #168
Quote: Originally Posted by madtycoon View Post

Don't pretend that keybinding means anything in the bulk of warzones or pvp in SWTOR. Binding all your abilities is so minimal in the outcome of most pvp scenarios in this game that it really doesn't matter. I constantly get 100 to 0d on my sniper when i don't have trinket up from backpeddaling, clicking concealment operatives that trinket legshot. Keybinding your abilities won't magically give you RNG crits or prevent RNG deflects or save you from poorly designed, retard friendly meta that litters this game. I could make the claim that clicking is probably even encouraged, because frankly I bet clickers don't have to worry about the global cooldown bug.

Is this the start of a... conspiracy?

Vegas shut the lights off on the Superbowl (so neither team could cover the spread).. and SWTOR is building in "glitches" that keep clickers and keybinders as close as possible? UNFATHOMABLE.

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cycao
09.05.2013 , 01:18 PM | #169
Quote: Originally Posted by maverickmatt View Post
So then you agree that a Clicker who possesses all the other traits you listed is greater than a keybinder who doesn't understand strategy or other classes?

I thought as much.

For keybinding to boost you to the levels that every claims, you need to be at least adept at the other areas you listed. If you are not, Keybinding isn't going to help you much.

Even in 1v1. A clicking sniper who knows how to beat a shadow is better than a keybinding shadow who has no idea how to counter a sniper.
I think it's impossible for a clicker to have the situational awareness that someone who has been using keybinds long enough to be completely comfortable with using keybinds. Using keybinds does not make you a better player, it will however put you on the path to becoming a better player. Clicking can only get you so far and you will hit a wall so high that the only way to get past said wall is to break through it with keybinding.

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cashogy_reborn
09.05.2013 , 01:21 PM | #170
Quote: Originally Posted by maverickmatt View Post
By your very definition, 99% of the players in this game are bad players.

So, for 99% of the players, keybinding makes zero difference in the grand scheme. It is worthless without supporting knowledge.

Anyway, my point is proven. Keybinding is great if you have all the tools necessary to compete, but your lack of movement hinders you. It is pointless if you do not possess a groundwork skillset.
You are looking at it wrong tho.... keybinding *is* the groundwork skillset. You learn class mechanics, strategy/tactics, etc as you play; you gain that knowledge from experience. Keybinding has nothing to do with how much experience you have playing this game. Your baseline is either clicking or keybinding, and keybinding is a faster and more accurate playstyle.

Also there is no "lack of movement" with keybinding.


And yes, I would consider the overwhelming majority of players in PvP bad.
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