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Why Smash Should Not be Nerfed

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Why Smash Should Not be Nerfed

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iheartnyc
09.05.2013 , 02:15 AM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by Laithrup View Post
Eliteduelist, I think I have anger management issues and want to kill myself.
OK cool story. Now try to take a deep breath, relax and formulate an opinion instead of raving about like a child.

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Evolixe
09.05.2013 , 02:30 AM | #232
I find it amusing how you started dodging my post after a crystal clear argument.

If you wouldn't be so massively biased, then you might understand that marauders are they are are completely stupid.

You don't need a marauder to kill a healer or whatever ranged, my Assassin can do that just fine.
Without immortality cooldowns and without smash.

I simply can't keep going indefinitely. And that is the difference. And that is what needs to be changed ON YOUR SIDE.
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iheartnyc
09.05.2013 , 02:47 AM | #233
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
I find it amusing how you started dodging my post after a crystal clear argument.

If you wouldn't be so massively biased, then you might understand that marauders are they are are completely stupid.

You don't need a marauder to kill a healer or whatever ranged, my Assassin can do that just fine.
Without immortality cooldowns and without smash.

I simply can't keep going indefinitely. And that is the difference. And that is what needs to be changed ON YOUR SIDE.
Sorry there are so many arguments by so many people floating around that I lost track of what people were saying. To be fair, I've played sorcerer longer than I've played my smasher so I used to be on the receiving end of smash and I know how it feels.

Your right, in Arenas, Assasin/Shadow DPS needs to be looked at and should be buffed. Same with operative/scoundrel DPS. But I'm pretty sure I've been saying that they need a buff since the start. In 8v8s they were in a good place with the respec and node guarding ability. I don't know if that means they need better survivability, an overall DPS boost to all abilities or simply an increase in its burst. Assasin/Operative sure is deadly in 1v1s and 2v2s and can be effective in Arenas but the skill-cap is too high I think.

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Evolixe
09.05.2013 , 02:56 AM | #234
I don't need a buff hell I don't even want one. You need a nerf.

I was saying that I can fullfill my job without being horrendously OP.

I like it when my class requires the utmost from a player to be considered a good choice, was the same for rogues for a very long time. Teaches you to play on the edges of insanity.
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iheartnyc
09.05.2013 , 02:58 AM | #235
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
I don't need a buff hell I don't even want one. You need a nerf.

I was saying that I can fullfill my job without being horrendously OP.
Well how would that solve anything? Assasin/Shadow isn't even 2nd choice for DPS in Arenas...so nerfing Smash won't really solve anything for Assasin/Shadow. The really good players will thrive but I believe the average player will simply get passed over for a juggernaut/guardian DPS or a vanguard/PT hybrid or a gunslinger/sniper. And if Smash gets nerfed, it will only make Sorcerer/Sage that much more viable which will throw Assasin/Shadow even lower down the pecking order.

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Evolixe
09.05.2013 , 03:00 AM | #236
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
Well how would that solve anything? Assasin/Shadow isn't even 2nd choice for DPS in Arenas...so nerfing Smash won't really solve anything for Assasin/Shadow. The really good players will thrive but I believe the average player will simply get passed over for a juggernaut/guardian DPS or a vanguard/PT hybrid or a gunslinger/sniper. And if Smash gets nerfed, it will only make Sorcerer/Sage that much more viable which will throw Assasin/Shadow even lower down the pecking order.
Different comps have different strengths. And even though you can rest assured that a marauder with half a brain won't be dying first.. they are not always the best dps to pick in every case. Thank god.
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iheartnyc
09.05.2013 , 03:11 AM | #237
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
Different comps have different strengths. And even though you can rest assured that a marauder with half a brain won't be dying first.. they are not always the best dps to pick in every case. Thank god.
I hope you're right, and that there is no clear "meta" once 2.4 goes live, even though I think some classes will remain broken whether or not Smash gets nerfed (I just realized you're Evolixe from PTS lol hi).

Whatever the case, I think everyone has said everything that there is to be said about this issue and we're starting to go in circles I'm glad at least some of us had this chance to have a thoughtful discussion on Smash. I hope at least some people out of the 7,000+ that perused this thread saw that there are at least some difference in opinions and several potential solutions (including nerfing the Smash ability, nerfing DCDs, nerfing both, nerfing Op healer, buffing other DPS classes, doing nothing) to improving balance in this game. Most of you seem to think Smash needs a nerf of some kind, and although I would prefer other classes to be buffed first before talking about nerfs, I am generally OK with a nerf to the Smash ability, but need to think some more about the defensive CDs (my fear of ranged DPS getting too powerful).

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AlrikFassbauer
09.05.2013 , 05:35 AM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
However in undying rage, no matter what you do.. That marauder is NOT going to die in the next 4 seconds.
Buying time to get healed up, or get away. Whatever it is undying rage promotes playing super recklessly.
This is an interesting psychological point.

The perceived "god-mode" makes players play especially aggressive ?
Complex minds
Cope with
Complex problems.

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Savej
09.05.2013 , 06:12 AM | #239
Quote: Originally Posted by Vaerah View Post
A sniper can't nuke multiple targets for 8-9k with one action.

2 - 3 snipers can't immediately and unstoppably create an AoE area of death where everything inside just dies no matter the healing.

1 sniper can't keep happily dish his first class damage with a sin / shadow on his face.

1 sniper has difficulties stealthing and moving off when his spot really gets too hot.
Which smashers do any of those things? (3 or 4 actions required for the first nuke which is the easiest, btw, + melee range.)

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Vaerah
09.05.2013 , 06:13 AM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
How in the world are people missing the most obvious and basic distinctions here? A sniper is a RANGED DPS CLASS so please stop comparing the two like they're equal! A sniper isn't being focused, stunned, rooted, pushed away from healer, isolated, etc.
Considering I play a (lesser of course) melee class myself I quite know the difference between a RDPS and a MDPS. Considering I also am melee and get nowhere the same armor nor AoE and not even sustained damage of a mara, then what should I do?

/wrist?

No, I deal with it.

I still prefer figthing against 3 snipers than against 3 smashers. As melee.


Quote: Originally Posted by iheartnyc View Post
Also, 2-3 smasher can't "immediately create a ring of AOE death." They have to have leap up. They have to avoid being CC'd or rooted. They have to avoid being slowed and kited. They have to avoided being pushed back. They have to avoid being killed first when the entire enemy team decides to global you. And if you get globalled, you pray you have your DCDs up so you can run back to your healer to be healed, and then you can leap back in, and then again avoid being pushed back, avoid being CCd and slowed
You make it look like it's some heroic hard feat. I see it done constantly, every day, every WZ with smashers (that is, many). Maybe my server smashers are all uber skilled.
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