Worst P2W I've seen.

These newbs dont know what P2W is....they've been playing maple story and other 0 initial investment mmo's.

Regardless of how you knuckleheads spread the butter, the truth remains.

This game is not a strictly F2P game, so the definition of P2W is altered slightly. P2W is paying RL money for ANY advancement in game.

Any other definitions of P2W belong in facebook games and other non subscription based mmo's.

These newbs dont know what P2W is....they've been playing maple story and other 0 initial investment mmo's.

Regardless of how you knuckleheads spread the butter, the truth remains.

This game is not a strictly F2P game, so the definition of P2W is altered slightly. P2W is paying RL money for ANY advancement in game.

Any other definitions of P2W belong in facebook games and other non subscription based mmo's.

P2W is paying RL money for ANY advancement in game.

Initial investments and subscription boundries usually negate microtransactions for the majority of "AAA" mmo's. Only recently have the bigger mmo's gotten into the trend. None have taken as far as SWTOR. They have more isolated cases of mounts (wow) and armor (eq) but none have offered so much of their content behind a sceme such as EA has.

there is no "winning" really means that any advancement at all big or small is paying to win.

Diatribe....

The internet always agrue's this topic without defineing first what type of mmo you are applying the P2W definintion to...

Sadly it does make a diffrence.

Initial investments and subscription boundries usually negate microtransactions for the majority of "AAA" mmo's. Only recently have the bigger mmo's gotten into the trend. None have taken as far as SWTOR. They have more isolated cases of mounts (wow) and armor (eq) but none have offered so much of their content behind a sceme such as EA has.

F2P in an MMO where there is no "winning" really means that any advancement at all big or small is paying to win. Make your life easier, get better gear faster....normally in free mmo's, this is what drives microtransactions and thus profit. In such enviorements, deveolopers dont get paid without these microtransactions. EA/Bioware are double dipping, end of story.

Swtor had and initial investment for the majority of its subscriber base that STILL, to this day, are paying for content updates on the CM to be made and that are taking up room in my content cadence. UNACCEPTABLE.

You are of course free to define "truth" to be whatever you want it to be for you personally. And you can do with without name calling as well.

However, truth to the majority of MMO players as to what P2W means =/= your truth.

Now.. to revisit this one comment in particular by you:


By your definition.. all MMOs with subscriptions (optional or required), which is most MMOs by the way... is P2W.

Really? You want to stand by that definition.. AND you want to be taken seriously? Really?

Im pretty solid on my stance, you guys offer little or no reason to change my opinion.

Swtor is offering more on the CM and less to subscribers then in the past. This cannot be contested.

EVE Online says hi.

"But, but, they only sell PLEX and maybe a monocle here and there!"

Step 1: Buy 50 plex
Step 2: Sell 50 plex for 400-500mil each (last I checked)
Step 3: Search contract market for high end bling, and/or check the officially sanctioned and regulated characters for sale forum to buy a toon with skills you want (thus bypassing months or years of RL training time on your own toon)
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit

Though it is hilarious when a blinged out, P2W PVE ship gets ganked by a clever PVPer when said P2W PVEr is clueless as to EVE's PVP risk mechanics.