Why must the ability to heal as a DPS = underwhelming performance as a DPS?

Actually, I think it's more accurate to say that Warriors have a ranged attack to counter every attempt by a Sage to push them away

An example:
Warrior uses Force Charge to enter melee range.
Sage uses Force Wave to push him away.
Warrior uses Force Scream and/or his short-range saber throw (can't remember what it's called). Also, Double Saber Throw if he's a Mara.
Sage uses Force Speed to try to get away.
Warrior waits half a second until the Sage is 10 metres away, then uses Saber Throw.
Sage uses Force Stun.
The Warrior breaks out of the stun after half a second and uses Force Choke, possibly followed by Force Push if he's a Jugg.
The Warrior uses Force Charge to enter melee again, and the whole thing begins again

This isn't really worth responding to but... If you don't think sorc dps heals are very useful (including bubbles) then you are probably a verily bad sorc. if you sit by the huttball channelling heals while the nearby opponents aren't mezzed. or rooted or stunned you're definitely bad. Other than scamperers and sins, sorcs have the most maneuverability in most situations. Out of 8 advanced classes, I think 5 have kbs? And mercs and juggs have fewer to much fewer. Two of the classes that don't have them at all are not parsing higher than sorcs.

My understanding of PVP is that the goal is to win... as a team. Which is why the games are designed around a central team based objectives (scoring touchdowns, capture/defend points). The objective is NOT to kill the other person, it is to meet the objectives of the game. If defending, point is to defend until backup arrives, or the other player gives up.

I do NOT believe that the GOAL of pvp is to KILL the other player, at that point they would just put in team death match at which point objectives is the highest k/d ratio and tanks/healers are not wanted.

I lol'd.

Agreed, whatever nerf they suffered in the past that time has past, they are parsing as top end DPS and they are without equal as a healer. Oh and they have more escapes then anyone else and stealth. Ops cannot claim to be underpowered sages really have little room to, but ops have absolutely no room to. The healer who has a strong case for a buff is the commando.

sigh. Their stuns, iirc were nerfed. Pretty fast too, if you think them chain stunning people to death now is bad, should have seen it then.

I miss the old guard, and weep for the new.

Are you willing to sacrifice any and all healing abilities if you spec DPS in order to see an increase in DPS? Are you willing to sacrifice the incredible AOE damage that a sorcerer can do in order to do more single target damage?

Why should Sorcs sacrifice anything - when we have operative dps dominating and we all know how hard they are to take down. How bout those Assassins and Powertechs as well - Jugg DPS is superior to these dps/tank classes as well. How bout - instead of sacrificing - we even out the playing field - and see who the better player is.



Scoundrel/Operative
1.Invinc - Operative - Lethality - 4/6/36 - 3248.72
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/353755/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2. Dizella - Operative - Lethallity 3/7/36 - 3149
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/342539/4/0/Damage+Dealt
3. Kelaeon - Operative - Lethality - 4/6/36 - 2992.77
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/362479/tim...719/0/Overview
4. Bednica - Operative - Lethality 3/6/37 - 2968.96
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/286633/tim...987/0/Overview
5 Thorriin - Scoundrel - Dirty Fighting - 3/7/36 - 2962 dps
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/364103/tim...832/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...1-c1e49edc09d3


Sage/Sorcerer
1. Handcuff - Sage - 3/36/7 Telekinetics - 3164.89
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/375362/tim...166/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...c-6d1a97f52e67
2. Kindran - Sage - Balance - 5/5/36 - 3000.96
Log Link:http://www.torparse.com/a/385460/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...d-34bb47e5abad
3. Lordbazuka - Sorcerer - Lightning - 2939
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/294514/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
4. Gardein - Sage - Telekinetics - 3/36/7 - 2888 POINT FIEF SEEX
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/395922/tim...084/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...3-423c099af110
5. Milas - Sorcerer - Madness- 3/7/36 - 2871.94
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/388008/tim...0/Damage+Dealt

The thing about AoE is that, in high-end group content, it's practically useless because either you're fighting very tough individual bosses, in which case AoE doesn't really help because the enemy only counts as 1 target no matter how big it is, and therefore only takes moderate damage from AoE attacks, or you're fighting groups of Elites, in which case you'll want at least some of them to be CC'ed, which means you can't use AoE because it breaks the CC.

As for your other point, Several people have already said they'd be willing to completely sacrifice healing ability if it led to an increase in damage output.

The best solution, imo, would be to give Sorc/Sages stances similar to Assassin/Shadows, so 1 stance boosts healing, but neutralises damage output somewhat, or even converts standard attacks into healing abilities; 1 stance boosts direct damage, while neutralising healing; and 1 boosts AoE, while neutralising healing and reducing direct damage. And to prevent people suddenly switching from 1 stance to another, activating a stance would fully drain your Force energy, like the Assassin/Shadow stances do. And, of course, if you like the class as it is, just leave the stances disabled and you get no bonuses or disadvantages.

Yes and yes because they are both irrelevant to endgame content, as I and many others have said countless times already. This is not a single player game it is an MMO please learn the difference! I say this because such a comment as you made above can only come from a single player mindset.