Players with a sense of entitlement

My first mmorpg was wow, my second swg, but I can tell you that what is said on the forums effects the outcome of a game. Let me give you a small example, during the classic days of wow, many of us played the geme for fun. Even then there was rantings, and complaints on the forums, about everything from elite mobs to ammunition. Frankly I did not want to get involved, and I was not the only one. Then the first set of nerfs hit the game Elite mobs were removed, by burning crusade they started nerfing ammunition, by the end of wraith ammo was gone, mounts could be given to players at level 20, and the list goes on and on. So though the impact of forums is not apparent right away it does effect a game.

Secondly entitlement is a strong word, I would say reasonable would be the correct word. Example I only do the Illum dailies now, sense my section x rep is done, the reason for this is because its the only daily area that was made right. As a player I expect a daily area to be the right size, and give me enough reward, that it equals the time put in. Many of the other daily zones give you very little by way of reward, but take a great deal more time. So as I player I expect reasonable daily zones. Nor is a player base as simple as hard core, easy going, players that feel they are entitled, or for that matter players that are fine with things.

Another example this game holds the name of Star wars, as a player I believe it to be reasonable that they have troopers shooting, moving, and acting like troopers. I expect to have massive amounts of space content, because after all it is Star wars. If Bioware does not want to go that direction then change the name of the game, and stop pretending its the star wars universe. This of course is not entitlement, this is called you took the star wars name, you better dang well make sure we get that star wars universe in full.

Now all this said I am encouraged by the fact that they are adding thinks like mounts. So we will see what the future holds.

This game is made for people with short attention spans and for people who think a 2 piece puzzle is too hard so they should have the option of buying a 1 piece version on the CM.

They got exactly the audience they designed for and then seem shocked and surprised that those customers got bored in a month. There solution is not to change the game for players with attention spans, but to charge you extra to make the game even easier and faster to blow through.

It's clear you dislike the game. Very much so, in fact. You criticize at every turn. I respect your decision to dislike SWTOR, but it does beg the question: Why do you continue playing? And paying, for that matter, as last I checked you need a subscription to post here.

I don't hate it. In small doses it's alright for an alt-aholic like myself. I also roleplay and the game really doesn't matter a whole lot for that, it's 95% down to the players.

Mostly though... I've been playing MMO's since before the term existed. They've become a time-wasting habit. I was going to bail and try another one, but all the others are either too old, WoW, WoW clones, or more F2P crap.

Given the absolute bashing they took over that (bloody rightfully, too...Never forgiven, or forgotten...) I'm not surprised its still in use, though.

Some people never learn their lessons, it seems -_-

The only thing you can dictate is whether or not to spend your money on TOR.

It's true in WoW, it's true in EQ2, it's true in LotRO, it's true in TOR. Eric Musco posted a while back that he guesstimated 5% of players are on the forums. I'll take his guesstimate over your "notice."

If it makes you happy to think so.

so what i learned from reading some of this is that andryah feels entitled to make up her own definitions of words, and she has a sense of entitlement that tells her whatever she makes up is agreed upon by all. things like 'the real world' will not influence said entitlement.

bran agrees with andryah.

and Arkerus was one of maybe 3 people who read the ToS and gave a **** what it says. seriously. why talk about something like a click-through eula wrapper? what a waste of time. it doesn't matter.

personally, what upset me most with this game is when they abandoned it, and left a bunch of dead servers, and it upsets me they never gave me the option to consolidate my toons without paying a bunch of extra money, on top of my sub, into a cartel market i don't much like to begin with. does that mean i'm somehow entitled to have bioware change their game the way i want? no. am i entitiled to my own opinion? yes. am i entitled to my own opinion even when forum posters like andryah and bran disagree? who gives a **** what those trolls think anyway?

so i come on the forum and let my opinion be known to the community and the developers. if a lot of other people agree with me, then the 'customer is always right' motto from the OP comes in to play. if i'm the only one with that opinion, then it probably doesn't matter much. with the dead server example, there were probably thousands of posts across many different threads. sure, the dev's could pretend only a small fraction are forum posters and that wasn't an accurate reflection of the population. andryah was on the forums saying nothing is wrong and her server was full enough, so therefore everyone else's was (her entitlement issues coming up again). i don't think bran was here yet at that time.

anyway, moral of the story is what happened next. over a million players quit. the dev team was largely dismissed. the subscription model failed, so swtor did what subscription games do when they fail and went f2p with a cash shop. the players wanted end game content, something reasonable to replace ilum, and populated servers. the players said 'please help. we like the game, we want to play it, but you kind of ****ed it up.' bioware looked down on their customers with scorn and contempt. stephen reid tried to calm the players, but the players wanted the game fixed and the devs had essentially given up, so he left. joveth tried to calm the players, but bioware still refused to listen. eric came in and tried to increase communication, but bioware still isn't listening. i don't blame eric. i wouldn't want the hate and general bad feelings that come with his position. there isn't much he can do. even if was capable of sneaking in at midnight and trying to rewrite the game to balance classes and provide reasonable content updates for both pvp and pve, surely he knows security would catch him before he got too far.

the customer is always right. that's true and it's absolute. if you honestly don't know what that means, you shouldn't be in front of your company's customers. ever.

If you think would not be cancelled by now if it didnt have the star wars IP license then i want some of your drugs. Nobody can say that with a straight face and what that means is its a very weak product that otherwise would be dead

That word... I do not think it means what you think it means...

The problem here is that the player base does not speak with one voice. The issues you are describing are when players say something must be done one way or we must get this or that. Not everyone agrees.

So just because one player says they want e.g. more pvp content, does not mean BW should make more PVP content, because a lot of other players with say they want more PVE content. Or they want class stories. Or space quests.

Or people want to be able to buy things on the cartel market. But other players think everyone should work for it.

Or people want out of date items to become available again, but others want their rarity preserved.

There's no agreement on any of these issues, or any of the others, and the entitled thing is really more of a player vs player disagreement than the community vs BW. They've never called us entitled.