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[Sniper Gunslinger Initiative] An opportunity to change Laze Target presents itself

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[Sniper Gunslinger Initiative] An opportunity to change Laze Target presents itself

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08.27.2013 , 03:16 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
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08.27.2013 , 03:19 AM | #112
I want a change but i dont like the idea that is suggested. Imo it benefits MM lot more than lethality for example. Ambush crits almost double TD (instead of TD this could be changed for 100% crit on cull channel)... Personally id like to see changes for SOS for example. Since everyone is using it make it 100% crit for all tics.

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Svii
08.27.2013 , 05:48 AM | #113
I'm in this category:
"I want to see some changes to LT/SL but this one is still underwhelming for me"

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islander
08.27.2013 , 07:45 AM | #114
I mean, when you think about it, laze target is pretty underpowered as it stands now. Smashers can auto aoe crit every 20-25 seconds. I mean, if we are the two defeault pure DPS classes...laze target should be on a shorter CD as it stands now.

It's basically what? A 2k damage add every minute - when anotehr snipe in 1.4 seconds does the same damage?

The idea of trading it for a 2 min CD for an ambush is pretty fail. If anything, laze target CD should be dropped to 30 seconds. Maybe 40. This wouldn't dramatically increase our 'burst' in the classic sense like auto-critting an ambush would...but still improve and make it useful.
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Heal-To-Full
08.27.2013 , 08:11 AM | #115
Best solution would be to have it apply to next Snipe, Ambush, Takedown, SoS, Cull or Explosive Probe - basically any next major attack short of Orbital Strike.

While Cull for a fully Leth specced sniper is fairly strong, the relative benefit it gets from auto-critting is considerably smaller. This is for two reasons: 1) Cull has a high crit chance as it is and no surge bonuses, 2) Cull is internal damage, so crit only helps a linear increase in its damage, not chance to bypass shield. You also have to consider that a Leth sniper's SoS or Ambush is not on the same level as a MM sniper's SoS or Ambush.

Basically, give us choice of what to do with it. Auto-crit OS would be OP, anything else isn't.
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Kaos_KidSWTOR
08.27.2013 , 11:10 AM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
Most likely shunned. I doubt BW will change any ability based on player "submissions." They merely offered to consider changing Laze Target to Ambush/EP/TD (i guess since we asked about it) , but they'll have to increase its cooldown.
But in all honesty will anyone actually USE this change to Laze Target? Probably not since the CD increase will put it to damn near useless. So this new ability would completely replace Laze Target AND It has a CD that is fair (Well do you think my idea is balanced? is what im getting at). And it would increase damage on EVERY ability not just a few select abilities. It even gives Marksman a use for Takedown!

Put me in the 3rd catagorey. This proposed change is too underwhelming. It's making Laze Target even MORE useless than it already is.

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Jekan
08.27.2013 , 11:59 AM | #117
I would love the change suggested. Since I play mainly lethality, snipe never gets used. But, why does the cooldown have to increase? As mentioned earlier, smash monkeys get a much shorter auto crit. While I would be OK with the changes suggested with the longer cooldown, I think the longer cooldown is the paragon of "meh", but if that's the bone we're getting thrown, well, this dog ain't gonna be too picky about what bone he can gnaw on.
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Jekan
08.27.2013 , 12:10 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by NoTomorrow View Post
How about we be more creative? I would like laze target to give us versatilty in the way how we play our sniper.

Laze target upgrades your next Shatter Shot or Legshot damage to that of a Snipe, the ability itself will count as a snipe for purposes of FT proccing.
This would only be useful for MM, as they'd get the benefit of FT, eng/leth would not. Don't really like this suggestion, but I do loves me some NoTomorrow.
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paowee
08.27.2013 , 12:10 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaos_KidSWTOR View Post
But in all honesty will anyone actually USE this change to Laze Target? Probably not since the CD increase will put it to damn near useless. So this new ability would completely replace Laze Target AND It has a CD that is fair (Well do you think my idea is balanced? is what im getting at). And it would increase damage on EVERY ability not just a few select abilities. It even gives Marksman a use for Takedown!

Put me in the 3rd catagorey. This proposed change is too underwhelming. It's making Laze Target even MORE useless than it already is.
Yep i'll write you down in abstain.

Hmm.. i don't understand why some people would think this will make Laze Target even more useless :|.

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Lazed Snipe for both Engi and Lethality seems to be the underwhelming version of Laze Target. MM gets better use for the current Laze Target as far as sustained DPS (according to namesrtough and ssfish math around ~30 DPS over 5+ minutes).

Now i don't know how Lazed EP/TD with the increased cooldown will parse as Engi or Lethality spec, but i'll make sure i get this point across when i forward this to eric.

offtopic: i'm quite glad the class rep program worked out better for us than it did for the sorcs. I really think things can get done in this game a little bit much better if people would post and try to talk to the devs in a more mature way. Like i am sure (from my past experience, prior to getting this "Class Rep" forum title, that Eric and AmberGreen do in fact forward player concerns and i've been talking with both of them for quite a while (before the class rep). Since BW left us a question, i'm 100% positive that our inputs will be forwarded and heard by the devs (who gave us our top 3 answers).

Inputs namely:
1) A majority of the Sniper/Slinger forum community like BW's proposal to Laze Target
2) A major concern would be "nerfing" the ability by giving it a 3min cooldown.
2.a) i'll inquire if they are going to do some internal testing to see how their new laze target fares to the old laze target in terms of sustained DPS.
3) End goal is to have a new laze target with a 2min cd. Not 2min30seconds and hopefully... definitely not 3min cd.
4) If the new laze target has a 3min cooldown i think... ill pass and keep the current one

Anyone else agree with the above points?
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08.27.2013 , 12:15 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
Since BW left us a question, i'm 100% positive that our inputs will be forwarded and heard by the devs (who gave us our top 3 answers).

Inputs namely:
1) A majority of the Sniper/Slinger forum community like BW's proposal to Laze Target
2) A major concern would be "nerfing" the ability by giving it a 3min cooldown.
2.a) i'll inquire if they are going to do some internal testing to see how their new laze target fares to the old laze target in terms of sustained DPS.
3) End goal is to have a new laze target with a 2min cd. Not 2min30seconds and hopefully... definitely not 3min cd.
4) If the new laze target has a 3min cooldown i think... ill pass and keep the current one

Anyone else agree with the above points?
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