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The role of Raid Assistants in operations

Jerba's Avatar

08.07.2013 , 02:57 PM | #1
With the recent changes to raid assistants, I decided the re-evaluate their powers, especially in semi-PUG op groups.

As of 2.3.0, Raid Assistants have the following powers that normal group members do not have:
* Assistants can mark targets
* Assistants can start a ready check
* Assistants can reorder the position of the group members
* Assistants can invite people to the group
* Assistants can kick people from the group
* Assistants can use the special officer's chat channel
* Assistants can make raid announcements
* When the raid lead leaves the group, assistants will first be promoted to the new raid lead

So far, I have seen the following stances toward Raid Assistants:
1. Nobody gets a Raid Assistant
2. Only Guild Officers or other trusted players receive Assistant status
3. Everyone receives Assistant status

Reasons for promoting people to Raid Assistants:
* Players can mark targets themselves
* Players can easily invite other players, if the raid lead has a hard time doing it b/c of special characters in the toon name
* Healers can reorder the group as they seem fit, since the raid lead does not always know how to do it

Reasons against giving players assistant status:
* Players can troll the group by endlessly doing ready checks or otherwise abusing their privileges
* Players can invite other people, even though the raid lead already has all spots filled

Previously, I would not give anyone an Assistant status until all spots are filled, to make sure no one else invites players. (I already had to deal with a 17-group for a 16-man raid. Not a pleasant experience having to kick someone)
When all spots are filled, I would then give everyone Assistant status so that they could mark targets themselves. This, makes it nearly impossible to abuse the Assistant powers.

However, with the latest patch, I plan on no longer giving other players Assistant status, since there is a slight chance they could remove people from the group during a boss fight (accidentally or not), unless I really trust them.
If you are organizing raid groups as well, what are your thoughts about the change?

Nibbon's Avatar

08.07.2013 , 03:07 PM | #2
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ArchangelLBC's Avatar

08.07.2013 , 03:44 PM | #3
In PUGs I tend to make everyone an assistant, and if someone invites someone after group is full, then that person gets to explain to their invitee why they were kicked.

In guild raids, I usually make tanks Ops LTs for the purposes of marking things, and other officers, but guild runs I usually find a lot less abuse of the privileges.
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RikuvonDrake's Avatar

08.08.2013 , 05:28 AM | #4
As I said in your bug report, there is no update to this, what you write down is what assistants in ops always have been able to do, I guess you haven't noticed since you either never tried it or just are used to being the ops leader =)

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oaceen's Avatar

08.08.2013 , 05:35 AM | #5
the only thing new that ops lieutenants get is the ability to initiate a ready check, and only because that feature is new.

they have always been able to remove others from the ops group, but not the ops leader or other ops lieutenants, and no one can be removed while in combat.

if you are saying that they can now remove other ops lieutenants and/or remove while in combat, then yes, that would be an actual change.
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mikebevo's Avatar

08.08.2013 , 09:28 AM | #6
I doubt you can kick anyone with the same or greater rank. Trust me I have tried kicking friends from the guild of equal rank.

In the two raids I lead, fun run and a newer player weekly run, I make everyone assistant and will continue to. Nothing anyone could do that could not be fixed. In the progression group I run in, the leader there also make everyone assistants. When we do runs with PUGS, they are afforded the same trust as anyone else in the group. They violate that trust, then we will react, but we are not going to punish an innocent for the off chance that may do something silly.