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Commando - Assault Spec Hybrid 2.0 PVE Guide

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Commando - Assault Spec Hybrid 2.0 PVE Guide

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KeyboardNinja
07.29.2013 , 11:07 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by LordKantner View Post
Full Auto, in fact, has a 75% chance to proc HiB. That is 30% more than Charged Bolts. However lets say they were the same for a minute. I would still pick Full Auto because each of the 3 ticks of Full Auto has a chance to apply Plasma Cell. Those same ticks also get 30% increased damage if they crit, whereas Charged Bolts would not.

Also keep in mind that Full Auto will proc HiB at the beginning of the cast while Charged Bolts procs at the end of the channel. During the channel of Full Auto gives me time to adjust if HiB in fact did not proc.

I hope this clarifies things.
Double charged bolts: 1 - (1 - 0.45)^2 = 69.75% That's just barely shy of Full Auto's 75%. Procing at the end of Charged Bolts is actually a lot better than procing at the beginning, since you *cannot* do anything during Full Auto other than just break the channel.

I was wrong about the ammo costs though. My mistake.
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oaceen
07.29.2013 , 11:22 AM | #12
i missed it earlier, but charged bolts does have a 30% crit multiplier as well now.
i know that's just arguing semantics at this point though.

i would say using FA immediately after HIB is the way to go. it's like the missing puzzle piece to why i was having so much trouble with assault.
it fits perfectly between HIB resets so that once it's done channeling, start again with resetting HIB.
plus CB has a really high chance of resetting HIB (i have a theory that it's actually 75%, but i certainly don't want to ruin it) that the 12s cd for FA is actually perfect for the rotation.
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odawgg
07.29.2013 , 11:35 AM | #13
Oaceen during my limited testing, my theory is that there's certain combos (possibly the ones in the guide here) where it practically auto-procs it...I swear I could set my watch to it when I was practicing on the dummy which made me want to keep working at it, but I just couldn't hit the numbers I wanted to consider it on even grounds with gunnery. But I'm going to revisit this in the next few days since I recently got my 4th KD set bonus piece and thanks to Gyro and the OP here, there's a lot more info to build on...TIME TO TEST!

Edit: I still think it's annoying that the best spec for Pyro/Assault doesn't utilize the full tree, but it is what it is for now I guess.

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LordKantner
07.29.2013 , 11:40 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Gyronamics View Post
8m with any 3 dps of sage/sentinel/vanguard/scoundrel type and any combo of VG/Shadow tanks.

Not only will you do 8% less damage than best possible, everyone else with high energy/kinetic output will also do 5%+ less damage.

Such is the burden of having two dps specs but only one with the universal raid booster of an armour debuff even though the other desperately needs it.

Also you're claiming 3200dps on a dummy for 5m?

I'm intrigued because my own best is 2866dps and even if someone was giving me an amour debuff it would only reach approx 3064dps without a sub30% boost from DoT. With a sub30 boost it still wouldn't make 3200.
Updated with new dummy parses. All I can say is that as suckish at it would be to have no armour debuff in the group, I think you'd still do decent dps compared to everyone else because they don't get it either. If I was stuck in that situation I can see where you'd have to go gunnery at times.

16 man ftw...
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oaceen
07.29.2013 , 11:42 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by odawgg View Post
Oaceen during my limited testing, my theory is that there's certain combos (possibly the ones in the guide here) where it practically auto-procs it...
i've noticed that as well. like if i start a fight with HIB then immediately try to reset with CB, it seems to be more in line with the 45% chance, but lots of other instances (like immediately after full auto), it almost always procs.
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LordKantner
07.29.2013 , 12:13 PM | #16
If you guys wanna come up with new rotation fillers, I'm all ears. I actually used to do 3 charged bolts until I realized I could get HiB .5 sec faster putting a Hammer Shot in there.

There's bound to be a few more.
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Gyronamics
07.29.2013 , 12:27 PM | #17
Guess the time between the spikes on my charts: http://www.torparse.com/a/308048/tim...258/0/Overview

I only use 2 regular and 1 irregular rotation.

Key point is alacrity screws you over, sentinels popping transcendence screws you over. You become desynched because the 6s CD didn't get lowered but cast time did.
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ArchangelLBC
07.29.2013 , 12:59 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by LordKantner View Post
Updated with new dummy parses. All I can say is that as suckish at it would be to have no armour debuff in the group, I think you'd still do decent dps compared to everyone else because they don't get it either. If I was stuck in that situation I can see where you'd have to go gunnery at times.

16 man ftw...
You want that armor debuff though, especially in any DPS check situation, which are also much more common in 8 man over 16 man. Raising everyone's damage by 5%+ is better than winning an e-peen contest.
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Gyronamics
07.29.2013 , 01:06 PM | #19
Is it my imagination or are you not declaring an armour debuff in your dummy parses.

I've regeared so my plasma cell ticks for 411 non crit

In your logs your plasma cell ticks for 410 which is close enough.

My minimum electronet tick is 348

Yours in all parses from that session are 373

The reason it's plasma cell vs electronet is that they have no damage range, they will hit the same number every time unless temporary power buffed.

But electronet is energy and gains with an armour debuff while plasma cell doesn't.

And it looks like that's the 7% gain that's expected from a debuff.
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LordKantner
07.29.2013 , 01:11 PM | #20
No armor debuff on those parses, it's probably just my gear or the fact I'm going pure power. I will post one soon with an armor debuff however. I was using an adrenal too, with the relic of course.
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