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Time To Vote For Your Marauder Class Representative!

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Time To Vote For Your Marauder Class Representative!
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View Poll Results: Who should be your Marauder Class Representative?
oofalong 258 41.82%
Aluvi 41 6.65%
Gudarzz 299 48.46%
MrGrzecka 19 3.08%
Voters: 617. You may not vote on this poll

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oofalong
07.28.2013 , 03:07 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by maebeebuzz View Post
Bastionette here, and I just wanted to let you know why we are all WORKING together. I would have thought that a server working so hard together, both the top PvE and PvP guilds, is what this whole class rep thing was supposed to foster. Every time i see a "We don't need a PvP Mara" comment i think those people really don't understand that this position is more about promoting community discussion than just having their minions come on this thread and post angry, font happy, tantrums.

Truth is, Gudarzz's knowledge of his class is top notch, which is why he is so popular on Twitch and well known. He also has already come to my guilds Marauders (which everyone knows ARE the best PvE Maras. Anyone wanna go against Gorband and Steadfast?) about PvE, just like the Paowee has already gone to <Hey I'm MVPs> Snipers and made a public spreadsheet for other snipers to contribute to. It's a little silly to poo-poo on community involvement and cohesion, since this is what the whole thing is about.

So, here's my endorsement, from the #1 US PVE Progression guild: Vote for Gudarzz!
(Who is also in Suckafish on his Jugg, which technically makes him a PvE'r)
I thought the purpose of a class rep was to monitor the class forums, gather concerns about advanced classes, and articulate these to the Devs. I think its meant to foster a sense of hey-we-couldn't-make-sense-of-all-of-the-concerns-so-we-outsourced-it-to-active-forum-users.

I know some of the people who posted in this thread on my behalf, but I did not ask or encourage them to make inflammatory posts. The only thing I asked them for was their vote.

Incidentally, I think this post is equivalent to your "...minions com(ing) on this thread and post(ing) angry, font happy, tantrums..." minus the altered fonts obviously. Plus, in my opinion the post typifies how this has turned into a popularity contest. Or, the YouTube videos or the numerous other posts...

Quote: Originally Posted by Shinwon View Post
I watch Gudarzz's twitch and his skills (in all specs) are pretty sick. It's about time PvP got some love. He gets my vote.
I don't doubt Gudarzz talents, nor do I think they very are relevant. I do feel his lack of involvement here is very relevant though. Being a great player and having top notch knowledge does nothing to alleviate players concerns if those qualities are not accessible or shared. To date, I have not seen Gudarzz do this.

Let's assume for a minute that Gudarzz knows everything about every spec for every situation for this class. As such, he already knows the best three questions to ask. This means he does not need to seek the advice and input of other forum users so on September 27th he can post his questions and be done with it? In this case, would you say the Class Rep concept succeeded?

Plus, I would also suggest the three questions he deems to be the best might not align with the broader community. Unfortunately, the concerns of the top 1% are not necessarily the concerns of the masses.

I am not suggesting this is what would happen. Still, I do think a disservice is being done to the Marauder forum readers when so many non-participants influence this vote. The only thing I can do about this for now is find 30+ more votes.
Oofalong | Oofawrong | Incendiari | Uriyah | Litlah & More
Repoofalong | Tuamara | Liolami & More
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
You are correct Oofalong.

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MarkXXIV
07.28.2013 , 03:59 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by oofalong View Post
I thought the purpose of a class rep was to monitor the class forums, gather concerns about advanced classes, and articulate these to the Devs. I think its meant to foster a sense of hey-we-couldn't-make-sense-of-all-of-the-concerns-so-we-outsourced-it-to-active-forum-users.

I know some of the people who posted in this thread on my behalf, but I did not ask or encourage them to make inflammatory posts. The only thing I asked them for was their vote.

Incidentally, I think this post is equivalent to your "...minions com(ing) on this thread and post(ing) angry, font happy, tantrums..." minus the altered fonts obviously. Plus, in my opinion the post typifies how this has turned into a popularity contest. Or, the YouTube videos or the numerous other posts...



I don't doubt Gudarzz talents, nor do I think they very are relevant. I do feel his lack of involvement here is very relevant though. Being a great player and having top notch knowledge does nothing to alleviate players concerns if those qualities are not accessible or shared. To date, I have not seen Gudarzz do this.

Let's assume for a minute that Gudarzz knows everything about every spec for every situation for this class. As such, he already knows the best three questions to ask. This means he does not need to seek the advice and input of other forum users so on September 27th he can post his questions and be done with it? In this case, would you say the Class Rep concept succeeded?

Plus, I would also suggest the three questions he deems to be the best might not align with the broader community. Unfortunately, the concerns of the top 1% are not necessarily the concerns of the masses.

I am not suggesting this is what would happen. Still, I do think a disservice is being done to the Marauder forum readers when so many non-participants influence this vote. The only thing I can do about this for now is find 30+ more votes.
We want marauder to be represented by the best knowledge/talent and we want to make sure that our rep knows the class so we will not be worse off in 2.4 than we are now. We want all 3 of our spec to be optimal or at least viable for ranked warzone/4v4 arena.

Also you are not a bad pvper carnage is a bad pvp spec imo. I like pve but pvp balance is the most important thing to me since I play it so much.

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Avicii
07.28.2013 , 04:10 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by oofalong View Post
I thought the purpose of a class rep was to monitor the class forums, gather concerns about advanced classes, and articulate these to the Devs. I think its meant to foster a sense of hey-we-couldn't-make-sense-of-all-of-the-concerns-so-we-outsourced-it-to-active-forum-users.

I know some of the people who posted in this thread on my behalf, but I did not ask or encourage them to make inflammatory posts. The only thing I asked them for was their vote.

Incidentally, I think this post is equivalent to your "...minions com(ing) on this thread and post(ing) angry, font happy, tantrums..." minus the altered fonts obviously. Plus, in my opinion the post typifies how this has turned into a popularity contest. Or, the YouTube videos or the numerous other posts...



I don't doubt Gudarzz talents, nor do I think they very are relevant. I do feel his lack of involvement here is very relevant though. Being a great player and having top notch knowledge does nothing to alleviate players concerns if those qualities are not accessible or shared. To date, I have not seen Gudarzz do this.

Let's assume for a minute that Gudarzz knows everything about every spec for every situation for this class. As such, he already knows the best three questions to ask. This means he does not need to seek the advice and input of other forum users so on September 27th he can post his questions and be done with it? In this case, would you say the Class Rep concept succeeded?

Plus, I would also suggest the three questions he deems to be the best might not align with the broader community. Unfortunately, the concerns of the top 1% are not necessarily the concerns of the masses.

I am not suggesting this is what would happen. Still, I do think a disservice is being done to the Marauder forum readers when so many non-participants influence this vote. The only thing I can do about this for now is find 30+ more votes.
These are good points and I would hope all elected will act with integrity and work to be a voice for the community. You can't confirm that for all the people voicing support clearly as half the people seem clueless as to what the rep is for and it's function.

This will hopefully filter out the BS complaints and ************ and address real issues. It does require some one with knowledge of the class to be able to do and playing at a high level helps give you the ability to discern if something is really an issue or just complaints due to lack of skill or understanding, which the entire forums are bogged down

I think Gudarzz will act with integrity, as I am sure Oofalong will as well. I regularly watch his twitch stream he's a good guy and just wants what's best for the class and to make a positive impact as I hope all those up for vote for each class will and hopefully with voting it weeds out those who wouldn't.

That said good luck to everyone lets get it done and work together to make the game better.

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-Swag-
07.28.2013 , 04:37 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by oofalong View Post
I thought the purpose of a class rep was to monitor the class forums, gather concerns about advanced classes, and articulate these to the Devs. I think its meant to foster a sense of hey-we-couldn't-make-sense-of-all-of-the-concerns-so-we-outsourced-it-to-active-forum-users.

I know some of the people who posted in this thread on my behalf, but I did not ask or encourage them to make inflammatory posts. The only thing I asked them for was their vote.

Incidentally, I think this post is equivalent to your "...minions com(ing) on this thread and post(ing) angry, font happy, tantrums..." minus the altered fonts obviously. Plus, in my opinion the post typifies how this has turned into a popularity contest. Or, the YouTube videos or the numerous other posts...



I don't doubt Gudarzz talents, nor do I think they very are relevant. I do feel his lack of involvement here is very relevant though. Being a great player and having top notch knowledge does nothing to alleviate players concerns if those qualities are not accessible or shared. To date, I have not seen Gudarzz do this.

Let's assume for a minute that Gudarzz knows everything about every spec for every situation for this class. As such, he already knows the best three questions to ask. This means he does not need to seek the advice and input of other forum users so on September 27th he can post his questions and be done with it? In this case, would you say the Class Rep concept succeeded?

Plus, I would also suggest the three questions he deems to be the best might not align with the broader community. Unfortunately, the concerns of the top 1% are not necessarily the concerns of the masses.

I am not suggesting this is what would happen. Still, I do think a disservice is being done to the Marauder forum readers when so many non-participants influence this vote. The only thing I can do about this for now is find 30+ more votes.

Yo Oofa here is a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g

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GalvadosBlood
07.28.2013 , 07:48 PM | #35
im pretty sure gudarzz is going to get a pretty general consensus from both pvp and pve players of the class before posting the three questions. i mean, that's what he said. that's his word and i trust it. if you don't that's fine, but both his knowledge of the class and his personality are what drove me to vote for him. i don't care about inflammatory posts and childish bickering, all i care about is that a competent player of a class that i love gets to be the voice. and that he'll take not only my concerns into account, but many many others. and he will.

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xContex
07.28.2013 , 08:14 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by oofalong View Post

For the record, I do PvP even though I am not very good at it, then again I don't think I am very good at PvE either. (Incidentally, when I PvP I do so as Carnage which puts me in the minority in that sense as well.) Fortunately, the only requirement of the class rep is to post in this forum and aggregate feedback. Clearly, I have been doing that already. In my opinion, the most valued traits are good organization and effective communication. I feel I excel in these areas, which is why I first accepted the nomination and continue to campaign for it.
No offense. But this right here doesn't qualify you. To be the bridge between Bioware and the players means you need to be proficient and talented in all 3 specs. By admitting you are not in both PVE and PVP doesn't qualify you. Let me give you an example. If someone presents a PVP or PVE idea/question for you to post as your top 3. How are you going to decide whether it is actually worth while or not? Without knowing what they are talking about you truly won't be able to distinguish it.

You can throw it back to me and say well I'll listen to the community. They'll know what they are talking about! Wrong. The community is so wishy washy there will always be 2 sides. You will always here 2 sides to the argument as to which issues are more urgent ect ect. That is when it falls upon you and you're knowledge of the class in ALL scenarios (both PVP and PVE) to decide what is actually worth mentioning to Bioware and what isn't. Just my 2 cents.
Scyn

The Sovereign Legacy

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oofalong
07.28.2013 , 08:48 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by xContex View Post
No offense. But this right here doesn't qualify you. To be the bridge between Bioware and the players means you need to be proficient and talented in all 3 specs. By admitting you are not in both PVE and PVP doesn't qualify you. Let me give you an example. If someone presents a PVP or PVE idea/question for you to post as your top 3. How are you going to decide whether it is actually worth while or not? Without knowing what they are talking about you truly won't be able to distinguish it.

You can throw it back to me and say well I'll listen to the community. They'll know what they are talking about! Wrong. The community is so wishy washy there will always be 2 sides. You will always here 2 sides to the argument as to which issues are more urgent ect ect. That is when it falls upon you and you're knowledge of the class in ALL scenarios (both PVP and PVE) to decide what is actually worth mentioning to Bioware and what isn't. Just my 2 cents.
I strive to practice humility and self awareness. I find that bragging serves little purpose on the forums or anywhere else in life.

I always thought about it through the lens of professional athletes and coaches...
Oofalong | Oofawrong | Incendiari | Uriyah | Litlah & More
Repoofalong | Tuamara | Liolami & More
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
You are correct Oofalong.

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xContex
07.28.2013 , 09:23 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by oofalong View Post
I strive to practice humility and self awareness. I find that bragging serves little purpose on the forums or anywhere else in life.

I always thought about it through the lens of professional athletes and coaches...
But there is a difference between bragging and making people aware. I myself haven't heard of you. So telling us exactly what you know would generate more votes.
Scyn

The Sovereign Legacy

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KrunchyMedia
07.28.2013 , 10:08 PM | #39
hey guys look at me! im really good! i can look at skill tooltips and compile them into an article.


im credible!!

hey in case you don't have eyes, force charge has a 15 second cooldown. and in case you're blind, in annihalation, you can force charge at point blank range.

ok brb putting that into a guide and then pretending im good.

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AngelFluttershy
07.28.2013 , 11:08 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by KrunchyMedia View Post
hey guys look at me! im really good! i can look at skill tooltips and compile them into an article.


im credible!!

hey in case you don't have eyes, force charge has a 15 second cooldown. and in case you're blind, in annihalation, you can force charge at point blank range.

ok brb putting that into a guide and then pretending im good.
If you're crap then why do you want to be Sentinel class rep?