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Bioware, is exploiting other players allowed?

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Bioware, is exploiting other players allowed?
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Ayelinna
07.24.2013 , 03:31 AM | #1
Hey Bioware,

I got the new re skinned mount yesterday that you put so much effort into making for us. I won it on a fair roll with my guild members. But for other people, this is not the case.

There have been many people who have said that they were robbed of their chances to get the new mount, because either the group leader took it for themselves, they said it was a "guild run" at the end of the fight, or they changed the loot rules during combat just before the end of the fight so they could ninja all the loot.

I was wondering, do you tolerate this?

Say I join a group, in which the leader advertised that it was round robin loot (meaning everyone has a chance to roll on the drops), but then the group leader changes the loot to Master Looter mid-fight and takes all the stuff, is that allowed? You have stated that it's not a bug, and it's not an exploit.

So it must be allowed right? Considering you're giving these people the option to exploit and deceive other players for their time and effort for your own benefit.

Is this the end of pugging? People say its your fault for trusting a pug, but I don't see how it's your fault that the pug exploited everyone by -changing the loot rules during combat just before the end of the fight-.

But if it's not against the rules, then I would fully encourage everyone to do this.

Thanks Bioware!

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Tachenko_Yuri
07.24.2013 , 03:45 AM | #2
Despicable attitude for a pug.

But you were already given an answer yesterday.

/obsolete thread.

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Ayelinna
07.24.2013 , 03:47 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Tachenko_Yuri View Post
Despicable attitude for a pug.

But you were already given an answer yesterday.

/obsolete thread.
Oh really? I didn't see it.

Can you please link the answer Bioware gave us?

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Tachenko_Yuri
07.24.2013 , 03:52 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Ayelinna View Post
Oh really? I didn't see it.

Can you please link the answer Bioware gave us?
the thread you posted yourself, in which amber (bioware) told you that they've discussed it. It is not a game exploit or a bug.

Edit: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=664388

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Ayelinna
07.24.2013 , 03:53 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Tachenko_Yuri View Post
the thread you posted yourself, in which amber (bioware) told you that they've discussed it. It is not a game exploit or a bug.
That doesn't answer this thread though. I've already mentioned that answer in this thread if you actually bothered to read it.

Try again.

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chuuuuucky
07.24.2013 , 04:03 AM | #6
Bioware can only overlook it because it does not happen that often. That might change as people notice that it will not get punished because it is a working as intended mechanic.
So while only those people with no morals did this before it is possible that more people feel encouraged to act that way because they have that statement that it is working as intended and for that matter ok to do. Especially if you offer stuff only for a limited time like the mount from the gree world boss it is not unlikely that people encourage others to join a group and then lock them out of the loot process because they where only helpes for the guild or leader of the raid. So the statement that i would expect would be yes we said it is not a bug or exploit but it is also a mechanic that should work exactly that way and you should be able to use it that way.
If that is not the case well they should provide a way to take action against it. So they keep silent i guess it is ok to do it as we don't kow how to take action.

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JPryde
07.24.2013 , 04:08 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Ayelinna View Post
But if it's not against the rules, then I would fully encourage everyone to do this.
Just because something is not against the rules, doesn't mean, that it is also not morally wrong.

To answer your thread title... no, it is not allowed to exploit other players.
But as stated yesterday, the behaviour you were describing is not seen as an exploit, so your thread title and thread content are in slight mismatch.

Also I haven't seen "many" people complain about such behaviour. I have in fact not seen any such thing happen or be talked about on the server I play on.

It is (according to the rules) fully legit to change the loot rules to master looter at any time and it is also legit to keep all loot as the master looter.
It is however also absolutely legit to put such a group leader on ignore and I personally weigh getting on a bunch of ignore lists as more important than getting just another speeder, which is as the OP said themselves just a recolored version of an already existing one, which everyone can buy without risking any kind of being exploited.

This thread feels to me like a provocation of flaming... and that is obviously just my opinion.
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07.24.2013 , 04:10 AM | #8
Players taking advantage of other players because those players are daft will always be a part of online games.
It is not biowares job to hold your hands when you are playing.
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Ayelinna
07.24.2013 , 04:14 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by OddballEasyEight View Post
Players taking advantage of other players because those players are daft will always be a part of online games.
It is not biowares job to hold your hands when you are playing.
So you're blaming the innocent players because Bioware have given other players the option to exploit other players?

Are you saying no one should be in a pug group ever?

Sorry but I dont understand what youre saying.

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Razamatazz
07.24.2013 , 04:16 AM | #10
I would say that if it's not cheating, and not exploiting, than it is intended to be that way, and there for is allowed. That was pretty clear to me, though I guess I could be wrong, but again, not cheating, not an exploit, shutting down the old thread to avoid confusion = intended game function.

As for encouraging people to do it, why would you do that? I got the feeling you didn't enjoy having it done to you, and rightfully so, it was a despicable move by the player who did it. Why would you encourage people to do this to others when it hurt you? You don't seem like the type who wants to hurt other people, are you trying to hurt the game? It just doesn't make much sense, ya know? You spend a lot of time trying to say what you think is hurting the game and what BioWARE should do to make it better, only to now suggest something that will only hurt the game. I would ask that you think about and reconsider you suggestion.

The ability to change loot rules mid fight is likely there to allow an adjustment for groups when the fight was started with the wrong set of rules. I would encourage players to always play fair and be fair with loot. Do unto others as you would have them do to you, not do unto others as they do to you. Be fair folks and we'll all be better off for it. Will we find trolls and unsavory characters? Yes, but by doing the right thing you can encourage others, who may be on the edge, to do the right thing.