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The REAL Most Powerful Sith


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Beniboybling
07.16.2013 , 03:54 PM | #21
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Sidious.... who wasn't born for around 3600 years after Malgus' death and lol wut? He destroyed Gantoris with Force Blast, in-fact he incinerated Gantoris with it and the only Force User he used Force Blast against was Aleema Keto and she had specific knowledge of the ability as well.

So your assertion is false.
If your saying that Sidious is not telling the truth, then I'd remind you that the Book of Sith is a canon-sourcebook disguised as an in-universe text.

Also, you are referring to Exar Kun as a Force ghost here, post absorbing the life force of the entire Massassi race, which resulted in his mortal death.

And I am distinctly referring to Aleema Keto, a Force user, whom we has unable to destroy.

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Wolfninjajedi
07.16.2013 , 03:56 PM | #22
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The idea that a 40 year old man could considerably grow stronger in the Force in the space of a few years is pure speculation, and most likely not the case.
Why not? What you think he just slacked off and decided to not get better?
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Beniboybling
07.16.2013 , 03:57 PM | #23
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I may be recalling incorrectly, but didn't Bane use Maelstrom when he was still a student at the Sith Academy?
...pretty sure he didn't. He wielded a minor version of the thought bomb by combining the powers of his fellow dark lords, but not maelstrom.

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Beniboybling
07.16.2013 , 03:58 PM | #24
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Why not? What you think he just slacked off and decided to not get better?
Because that's not how the Force works... you dont just get stronger forever and ever. Around the 30-40 mark you peak. Especially if your a cyborg with a third of his body missing and severe mental handicaps.

He might have become more skilled, but not more powerful. That is again pure speculation.

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LadyKulvax
07.16.2013 , 03:59 PM | #25
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If your saying that Sidious is not telling the truth, then I'd remind you that the Book of Sith is a canon-sourcebook disguised as an in-universe text.

Also, you are referring to Exar Kun as a Force ghost here, post absorbing the life force of the entire Massassi race, which resulted in his mortal death.

And I am distinctly referring to Aleema Keto, a Force user, whom we has unable to destroy.
It is still like Jedi Path, in Chee's words, only the collected histories and records with the opinions of those in it. He had to state this when someone asked him why Luke considered Yoda to be the most powerful Jedi that ever lived, despite Luke himself being exactly that.

It is still a Force Blast and he never died he wilfully left his body, technically he just ascended into an essence that was trapped on Yavin VI, not a Sith spirit but instead an essence like Sidious and Vitiate when switching bodies, his power was still clearly there as he could also have used his considerable Alchemical mastery to recreate his own body and become corporeal again.
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Wolfninjajedi
07.16.2013 , 04:00 PM | #26
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Because that's not how the Force works... you dont just get stronger forever and ever. Around the 30-40 mark you peak. Especially if your a cyborg with a third of his body missing and severe mental handicaps.
Ok this was stated where now?...Plus this isn't just some normal Sith, this is the Chosen One who still had the power within.
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Aurbere
07.16.2013 , 04:03 PM | #27
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Let's not approach this from an out-of-universe perspective now, we can only assume that either the barrage was not as powerful, or Aryn Leneer was considerably more powerful than the Jedi Malgus killed.
She's still kinda meh.

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And according to Wookieepedia:

Adraas then attempted to strike back using a variety of Force Powers, including Force Lightning as well, even though he was aware of Malgus's mastery of the Force. His attack was ultimately cut off by Malgus's barrage of Lightning attacks, which left the Sith Lord dying on the floor.

Its seems his lightning ended the duel rather quickly.
Never trust the Wookiee. Here's what actually happened.

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Malgus held forth his hand and the rage within him manifested in blue veins of lightning that discharged from his fingertips and slammed into Adraas. The power stopped Adraas' charge cold, blew his lightsaber from his hand, caught him in a cage of burning lightning. He screamed, squirming in frustration and pain.

"End it Malgus! end it!"

Malgus unclenched his fingers and released the lightning. Adraas fell to the ground, his flesh smoking, the skin of his once handsome face blistered and peeling. Again he rose to all fours and looked up at Malgus.

"Angral will avenge me."

"Angral will suspect what has happened here," Malgus said, and strode toward him. "But he will never know for certain, not until it is too late."

"Too late for what?" Adraas asked.

Malgus did not answer.

"You are mad," Adraas said, and leapt to his feet and charged. He pulled his lightsaber to his fist and activated it. The attack took Malgus momentarily bu surprise.

[A few lightsaber exchanges later...]

Malgus spun out of the way and rode the spin into a chop that severed Adraas's arm at the elbow. Adraas screamed and clutched his arm at the bicep while his forearm fell to the floor along with the column.

Malgus had taught the lesson he'd come to teach.

He deactivated his lightsaber, held up his left hand, and made a pincer with his fingers.
So no, Malgus' lightning did not end the fight. In fact, Adraas put up a good fight after the barrage.

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That said, we aren't even talking about the fullest extent of Malgus' ability here. If a single burst of lightining can kill Jedi, what could the Force maelstrom do?[/COLOR]
The Adraas fight was after Malgus achieved Oneness.
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Beniboybling
07.16.2013 , 04:04 PM | #28
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It is still like Jedi Path, in Chee's words, only the collected histories and records with the opinions of those in it. He had to state this when someone asked him why Luke considered Yoda to be the most powerful Jedi that ever lived, despite Luke himself being exactly that.

It is still a Force Blast and he never died he wilfully left his body, technically he just ascended into an essence that was trapped on Yavin VI, not a Sith spirit but instead an essence like Sidious and Vitiate when switching bodies, his power was still clearly there as he could also have used his considerable Alchemical mastery to recreate his own body and become corporeal again.
But Malgus still wielded the Force maelstrom, and I'd assume Sidious has knowledge of Exar Kun and his power.

Sith spirits and essences are essentially the same thing, they do not inhabit the mortal plane.

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Aurbere
07.16.2013 , 04:04 PM | #29
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...pretty sure he didn't. He wielded a minor version of the thought bomb by combining the powers of his fellow dark lords, but not maelstrom.
I recall him 'renovating' a library with a pretty spectatious display of the Force.

/wishing I had Path of Destruction
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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sell-dog
07.16.2013 , 04:07 PM | #30
Maybe mentioning the fact that there was a video comparison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84bdr5CPlk) of Exar Kun vs Darth Vader is more appropriate for the future duelist thread but it should still count for something both in terms of a concise statement of abilities and insight to someone's opinion of who has the edge in each category.

Exar Kun vs Darth Malgus. Exar Kun was the standard for which Sith were judged for many many years. Note that in the beginning of the Sith Warrior storyline the jailor says (paraphrasing) "everyone's talking about you like you're the 2nd coming of Exar Kun". Exar Kun he says, not Darth Malgus. Exar Kun and the Emperor are the benchmarks for which all Sith Sorcerers are judged pre-Palps but he is also an absolute master of lightsaber combat as well. Malgus' powers and abilities do not stretch across as many areas as Kun's and in most cases not to the mastery of Kun either.
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