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Propane
07.21.2013 , 04:55 PM | #71
Trying to show the truth to you all is like trying to tell the truth to an Xbox One buyer, they always gotta have a slip-around.

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Amaranth
07.21.2013 , 05:05 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Seeing how Tera got an extra of 1.4 million new players playing daily, and Trion worlds praising the success of the f2p model and how they will start to integrate it into many of their new games. Not to mention Rift's servers are always on high, while in swtor we are lucky to have one on maybe medium. And then we have swtor that averages 344 players per server and shrinking.
According to EA back in March, SWTOR had added 2 million new players since launching F2P. As for server populations, I have no idea when you play, but there are way more than 344 people per server during both the day and night on my server. And at night the majority of the servers are heavy to very heavy from my experience.

Though honestly number of players isn't really that meaningful when talking about hybrid games. If SWTOR has 1 million players that are spending an average of $10 a month (counting subs), and Rift/Tera have 1.5 million players paying an average of $5 a month, SWTOR would be doing better. In that way, the SWTOR business model is probably more successful simply because they do force people to pay more money, even if F2Pers don't like the extra cost.

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Andryah
07.21.2013 , 05:07 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Seeing how Tera got an extra of 1.4 million new players playing daily, and Trion worlds praising the success of the f2p model and how they will start to integrate it into many of their new games. Not to mention Rift's servers are always on high, while in swtor we are lucky to have one on maybe medium. And then we have swtor that averages 344 players per server and shrinking.
LOL WUT? /facepalm

That's all this extremely distorted and inaccurate application of forum text deserves IMO.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Lord_of_Mu
07.21.2013 , 05:19 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
LOL WUT? /facepalm
Saw this thread last night. I facepalmed and left the thread.

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Amaranth
07.21.2013 , 05:52 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
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Ah, the old "I can't actually prove my claims so I'll just call everyone who disagrees with me a fanboy".

In all seriousness, if you really want to give EA feedback on where they've gone wrong, the best way to do so is with your wallet. EA isn't really going to care if F2Pers feel there are too many restrictions if they continue to spend money. The only time they will start showing interest is if they lose a significant number of paying customers over it.

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Andryah
07.21.2013 , 05:56 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Amaranth View Post
Ah, the old "I can't actually prove my claims so I'll just call everyone who disagrees with me a fanboy".

In all seriousness, if you really want to give EA feedback on where they've gone wrong, the best way to do so is with your wallet. EA isn't really going to care if F2Pers feel there are too many restrictions if they continue to spend money. The only time they will start showing interest is if they lose a significant number of paying customers over it.
qft
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Propane
07.21.2013 , 06:12 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Amaranth View Post
EA isn't really going to care if F2Pers feel there are too many restrictions if they continue to spend money. The only time they will start showing interest is if they lose a significant number of paying customers over it.
And that is what I'm trying to say.

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WSRB
07.21.2013 , 06:13 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by amaranth View Post
ah, the old "i can't actually prove my claims so i'll just call everyone who disagrees with me a fanboy".

in all seriousness, if you really want to give ea feedback on where they've gone wrong, the best way to do so is with your wallet. Ea isn't really going to care if f2pers feel there are too many restrictions if they continue to spend money. The only time they will start showing interest is if they lose a significant number of paying customers over it.
testify!!!

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Obviousenuendo
07.21.2013 , 06:22 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by xorcist View Post
My views on Free to play, paying, and subscribing. Who really pays and who wins:

The thing is that when this game went free to play, nothing really changed for the subscribers. Other than getting some cartel coins each month and that was it. Here, free to play is so restrictive that there are features that should not be so. The conciseness from word of mouth is from all the MMORPG's that have a free to play option, SWTOR has one of the worst free to play models today. There is no debate about it. Most of the restrictions are asinine. It is a fact. It almost feels like everyone outside looking in is laughing at Bioware right now. Once more, subscriptions in other MMO's that have both models give more to their subscribers than just cash shop currency. They make it much more advantageous and attractive to subscribe while their free to play model is far less restrictive. Even a one time purchase of the game entitles you to even less restrictions still. Everybody's happy. But here, we have basically nothing extra for subscribing, still have to pay for the barbershop feature and extra for newly added hairstyles etc. Holiday purchases? No event? Not even a little something?! Ah ok, fireworks. gotcha... Our $15 per month should pay for all the small extra features added. The one and only time this has happened was with the first attempt for the HK quest. Once complete, it could be purchased through Legacy. So I don't know how I feel about that. But I suppose you can look at it like an in game unlock.

However, the huge problem with this game is the greed from Bioware and EA. It sours everything. Just because they couldn't hold on to subscribers and sustain a profitable income from subscriptions alone, they used a band-aid in the form of a Cartel Market to keep things going. Fine, its not shutting down for now, great. But the problems that caused the mass exodus has not been resolved and I doubt it ever will be. This project had dozens of awfully bad decisions made during development. And for that, we'll always pay extra for it. It's unfortunate, but this game will continue to stay on life support with no change in sight. That is until players get tired of forking over hundreds of dollars extra on top of their subscription every month. But then again, the man in charge of the Cartel Market will always have some new candy in his van for you. I love Star Wars. I couldn't get into SWG. It just wasn't for me. Now, with all the greed Bioware and EA are emanating from this game, it makes it very difficult to support them. Such a shame... This project had such potential but they all simply stopped caring.

this, and...

Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Trying to show the truth to you all is like trying to tell the truth to an Xbox One buyer, they always gotta have a slip-around.
this, is all I have to say about this thread
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Epixxxx
07.21.2013 , 07:46 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
The Cartel Market isn't - the restrictions are.
I'm sorry if you expect to play a 200 million dollar MMO with all perks for free.