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Kingsbount
07.20.2013 , 03:37 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
So.. you want cannon fodder. Got it.

Thing is.. freemium games do not provide "queue fillers" with parity capability to you the subscriber, UNLESS they are working the non-sub side of the access model and paying a-la-cart.

True free games do.. but then again.. that's an entirely different business model in the MMO genre... and not actually free.

1) Subscription Only
2) Freemium
3) Free

And NONE of them are FREE. They each have their own specific monetization models that they follow. And generally speaking.. it is the "Free" business model that injects the most problematic P2W components into the game play.
True.

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BUBBUH
07.20.2013 , 05:11 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
As an investor I am taking my hard-earned money and investing it in EA in hopes that I might make more money than I do on a CD that offer 1/2 a percent interest. But I'll forego dividends and current income in hopes the stock price will rise. It might fall, in which case I will lose part or even all my investment. The point is that I RISK my money to invest in EA hoping they will make a profit and a part of that will pass to me, which I can then use for living expenses in an attempt to stay off the welfare rolls and support myself.

And what I see here is a bunch of clueless people who have no idea whatsoever about how to run a company or program a game who seem to feel they are instant experts on both and entitled to call the shots just because they subscribe for a measly $15 a month, the entitlement generation who want character transfers for free just because they say so.

Now who is the most greedy? The guy who risks his life savings in hopes a company will do well and make a profit? Or the guy who sucks everything they can out of a company claiming profit is a dirty word?
What kind of an investor are you? An average lonely home joe who makes 30k a year? You are dumb for investing if that's the case. On top of it the investors he's talking about are the ones who already made quadruple their profits(AKA millionaires and billionaires, because i highly doubt EA will take the guy who invested a simple 5k and ask for his opinion), Once the fat cats dial it in and make the cash, let the game die off, no more updates, no more support, just dumb pets and a cartel market. For again, more profit that they already made 4 times over.

And also if you invest in EA, you are dirty. You thrive off of killing good IP's. So you should lose your "profits" just based on principles.
GTN Master.

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Gavin_Kelvar
07.20.2013 , 07:46 PM | #53
eh I wouldn't say a sub is pay to win. Are there a lot of annoying, sometimes seemingly pointless, restrictions on Preferred/F2P people that could/should be changed? Yes. Does that make subscription P2W? No.

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MSchuyler
07.20.2013 , 08:01 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by BUBBUH View Post
What kind of an investor are you? An average lonely home joe who makes 30k a year? You are dumb for investing if that's the case. On top of it the investors he's talking about are the ones who already made quadruple their profits(AKA millionaires and billionaires, because i highly doubt EA will take the guy who invested a simple 5k and ask for his opinion), Once the fat cats dial it in and make the cash, let the game die off, no more updates, no more support, just dumb pets and a cartel market. For again, more profit that they already made 4 times over.

And also if you invest in EA, you are dirty. You thrive off of killing good IP's. So you should lose your "profits" just based on principles.
What absolute and utter nonsense. When I invest in a company I risk my capital. When you subscribe, you risk nothing. Investors are not "dirty" and they are not Bad Guys. And they are not Greedy. People who want everything for free are the greedy ones. These forums are nothing but a Greed Fest of spoiled children who's only refrain is, "I want! I want! I want! And I want for FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!" Pathetic little buggers.

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OddballEasyEight
07.20.2013 , 10:44 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
So.. you want cannon fodder. Got it.

Thing is.. freemium games do not provide "queue fillers" with parity capability to you the subscriber, UNLESS they are working the non-sub side of the access model and paying a-la-cart.

True free games do.. but then again.. that's an entirely different business model in the MMO genre... and not actually free.

1) Subscription Only
2) Freemium
3) Free

And NONE of them are FREE. They each have their own specific monetization models that they follow. And generally speaking.. it is the "Free" business model that injects the most problematic P2W components into the game play.
Exactly this.
F2P players cannot contribute much to bolstering the ques to PvP, Ops and FP's in general since they are only allowed a small number of those each week.
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Propane
07.20.2013 , 10:48 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
These forums are nothing but a Greed Fest of spoiled children who's only refrain is, "I want! I want! I want! And I want for FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!" Pathetic little buggers.
It isn't greed when you supported the game by paying 60$ when the game launches, only to get treated as a player who invested 5 dollars in the cartel market. Now stop acting like you are bigger and more important than everyone else on this forum.

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BUBBUH
07.20.2013 , 11:04 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
What absolute and utter nonsense. When I invest in a company I risk my capital. When you subscribe, you risk nothing. Investors are not "dirty" and they are not Bad Guys. And they are not Greedy. People who want everything for free are the greedy ones. These forums are nothing but a Greed Fest of spoiled children who's only refrain is, "I want! I want! I want! And I want for FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!" Pathetic little buggers.
If you support EA via investments, you're dirty. And to say investing is not greedy is just a complete lie. Which again just shows you took a lame personal finance class and are all of a sudden an expert wall street megalomaniac who invests billions each day. Not.

And did you just compare subscribing to investing and call subscribers greedy because of it? Are you kidding me? Subscribers get in-game content for a set time period. When you invest you obviously risk money, but you also have a chance to MAKE MONEY.
GTN Master.

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TheronFett
07.20.2013 , 11:18 PM | #58
Don't worry. Soon the entire game will be F2P because there won't be enough subscribers left to even bother with it.

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Propane
07.21.2013 , 03:25 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by TheronFett View Post
Don't worry. Soon the entire game will be F2P because there won't be enough subscribers left to even bother with it.
EA would shut down the game rather for them move past this glorified demo version of a F2P model.

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AlexDougherty
07.21.2013 , 03:39 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
It isn't greed when you supported the game by paying 60$ when the game launches, only to get treated as a player who invested 5 dollars in the cartel market. Now stop acting like you are bigger and more important than everyone else on this forum.
60$ might be enough if the game was single player and didn't require servers (which cost money), but an MMO requires upkeep, which is what the Subscription is supposed to do.

Free to play MMO's require people to buy things to make the game playable, this is so money comes in, which in turn helps pay for the running of the servers. This is frequently called Pay to Win.
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