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Grayseven
07.31.2013 , 06:40 PM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
I am obviously not getting this free - seeing how I am actually allowed to post on this website. Also seeing how I actually paid for the physical copy of SWTOR when it launched.

I'd rather waste the last few days of my SWTOR subscription watching people defend EA's practices than rather play the game. It is much more fun.
Ah, so you are going F2P and don't like the restrictions and only now do you feel the need to try to champion the leeches in order to possibly skim some cream off the top for yourself. You are still arguing for a self serving interest that is not in the best interest of the player base as a whole.

Congrats, your purchase and subscription helped keep the game afloat. If you have decided to stop supporting the game, why do you feel you are owed something for no longer supporting it? Your purchase and subsequent subscription got you exactly what you paid for and should have expected. To now expect more for less is nothing short of the very definition of entitlement.
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Grayseven
07.31.2013 , 06:42 PM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
It was Pay to Play, but now it isn't and it shouldn't be used as a handicap to make an excuse that the F2P model is so atrocious.
Wrong. It is still very much Pay to Play as is evidenced by the simple fact that only through paying do you get unfettered access. It simply has a Free to Play option.
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BUBBUH
07.31.2013 , 06:42 PM | #383
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
This game isn't free. It wasn't made to be free. It cost hundreds of millions of investment dollars by a major corporation that exists for the sole single purpose of making money on the products they sell.

EA/BW (or any company for that matter) does not make a product for you to play for free out of the kindness of their hearts.

If you play for free, you get exactly what you pay for. You get to deal with restrictions that seem onerous because they are onerous. If you don't like the restrictions, you pay to remove them either through a subscription or through unlocks in the CM.

The nice thing is, you can play for free and take the credits you earn while playing and buy those unlocks from the GTN. But in no way should you expect to get full and unrestricted access to a game without paying for it.

This isn't a charity for needy nerds, it is a business.

Edit: Oh, now I get it, you think because OTHER players are paying for the game that you should get it for free...

Entitled much?
SWTOR is by all means, a bad mmo in every sense. Gameplay, graphics, mob variaty and even pvp. On top of that its one the more expensive mmos out there.

It has literally one thing going for it, the story and the grind to 50. Past that sole exception, everything else is garbage. So fine, blow 45$ and enjoy your 3 months of fun. I'll take my 50$ and get a better mmo like GW2 which has evolved into mmo 1.5. Oh and its a one time deal, no leeching off your wallet there, unlike here.

And i lol'ed when you called this a business, It's called EA wiping up the scraps for a last dollar, in order to be a business you need actual consumers. And no, having like 4 servers with just a couple hundred people each isn't much.
GTN Master.

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Propane
07.31.2013 , 06:42 PM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
Ah, so you are going F2P and don't like the restrictions and only now do you feel the need to try to champion the leeches in order to possibly skim some cream off the top for yourself. You are still arguing for a self serving interest that is not in the best interest of the player base as a whole.

Congrats, your purchase and subscription helped keep the game afloat. If you have decided to stop supporting the game, why do you feel you are owed something for no longer supporting it? Your purchase and subsequent subscription got you exactly what you paid for and should have expected. To now expect more for less is nothing short of the very definition of entitlement.
I don't plan on playing this game free, and no one should.

You are assuming too much of what I am saying.

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Grayseven
07.31.2013 , 06:46 PM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
I don't plan on playing this game free, and no one should.

You are assuming too much of what I am saying.
Then why even bother unless you are simply trolling for trolling's sake. Sorry, but your comments indicate quite poignantly that you are indeed looking to get the P2P experience at F2P prices...if not for you, then for others that may follow in your footsteps.
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Propane
07.31.2013 , 06:48 PM | #386
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
Then why even bother unless you are simply trolling for trolling's sake.
Of course I am not, stop assuming.

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Grayseven
07.31.2013 , 06:48 PM | #387
Quote: Originally Posted by BUBBUH View Post
SWTOR is by all means, a bad mmo in every sense. Gameplay, graphics, mob variaty and even pvp. On top of that its one the more expensive mmos out there.

It has literally one thing going for it, the story and the grind to 50. Past that sole exception, everything else is garbage. So fine, blow 45$ and enjoy your 3 months of fun. I'll take my 50$ and get a better mmo like GW2 which has evolved into mmo 1.5. Oh and its a one time deal, no leeching off your wallet there, unlike here.

And i lol'ed when you called this a business, It's called EA wiping up the scraps for a last dollar, in order to be a business you need actual consumers. And no, having like 4 servers with just a couple hundred people each isn't much.
See, this is how you troll. Especially the "4 servers with a couple hundred people" part. You aren't trolling if you don't make up stupid and obviously false statistics...and calling GW2 better...priceless trolling there.
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Propane
07.31.2013 , 06:53 PM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
See, this is how you troll. Especially the "4 servers with a couple hundred people" part. You aren't trolling if you don't make up stupid and obviously false statistics...and calling GW2 better...priceless trolling there.
GW2 is obviously better - it shouldn't even be compared to SWTOR. Now lets get back on topic.

Remember when swtor had over 100 servers at launch? Doubt you do. Yeah we all left out of disappointment.
Remember when EAware promised us MAC versions at launch?Same Sex? Guild Ships? Still hasn't happened.
They gotta work on gettin that Ewok and another reskinned human race on the Cartel Coin to squeeze more money out of idiots than rather improving the bland half-assed gameplay.

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BUBBUH
07.31.2013 , 07:03 PM | #389
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
See, this is how you troll. Especially the "4 servers with a couple hundred people" part. You aren't trolling if you don't make up stupid and obviously false statistics...and calling GW2 better...priceless trolling there.
Way to refute my argument? I was dead wrong on my statistics that i used from top of my head. (Lol good thing im starting to forget this garbage though) Know how absolutely wrong i was? 5 servers, not 4, with a few hundred people each, i know my bad.

And help me out here, how is GW2 not better? Your trolling if you think otherwise, or your so ignorant you haven't even glanced at what it has to offer, take your blinders off. But its pretty funny your sig is a nice declaration you are ignorant. Surprising.

SWTOR
Very bad pvp.
Old gameplay.
Graphics are subpar.
Raids are pretty bad.
Races are horrible
End game is nowhere to be seen.
Excellent story
Grinding is excellent..
It's star wars.
Edit:
Class variety is linear
Overall "map" is smaller, not as interestiing and overall pretty bland even on maxed graphics.

GW2.
PVP is top notch.
WvW is top notch. (You don't know what this is being SWTOR is the first mmo you played, imagine 100v100 battles
Graphics are pretty amazing if you can handle it.
Gameplay is more realistic and more intense (Highest cooldown is a minute i think? Faster paced)
Races are more diversive.
End game is also up there, not as good as WoW though, but in time it'll get there.
Grinding is good.
Storys not awesome but its not bad either.
It's Everquest, WoW and like Ultima thrown together
edit:
Class variety is top notch (in fact its basically like skyrim, weapon in each hand dictate your playstyle)
Map is huge and not just a few "planetary instances" and its much more diverse and unique.

So your whole "SWTOR>GW2 LOLZ" is a trash argument, i await for you to say "it depends what you value, i value blowing money on a star wars skin LOLZ".
GTN Master.

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Grayseven
07.31.2013 , 07:08 PM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
GW2 is obviously better - it shouldn't even be compared to SWTOR. Now lets get back on topic.

Remember when swtor had over 100 servers at launch, doubt you do? Yeah we all left out of disappointment.
Remember when EAware promised us MAC versions at launch?Same Sex? Guild Ships? Still hasn't happened.
They gotta work on gettin that Ewok and another reskinned human race on the Cartel Coin to squeeze more money out of idiots than rather improving the bland half-assed gameplay.
I've played GW2. It's the same. Even the forums are the same stuff we see here. It isn't better...

Has EA/BW dropped the ball at times? Sure. Have they started making attempts at being better? Yep. Are they there yet? Not in my opinion but I do see them trying. But the needs of the many are more important and right now more people are more interested in paying for fluff.

I have my gripes with the CM and the amount of focus EA/BW IS placing on it, but that has no bearing on why restrictions on F2P exist outside of buying unlocks to remove them a la carte.
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