Pay to Win

So let me get this straight...

There are folks who want to get everything a sub gets without paying a sub? And because they can't they say the game is PTW?

I've been playing MMO's since they were text only. This is the whiniest, most entitlement-focused online community I have EVER come across.

Deary me.

But you know - when you leave the swtor forums, everyone agrees on this pay to win situation because everyone here is subscribed and they don't really have to care about the free players.

http://news.mmosite.com/content/2013...s_help_1.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9o_0C6zg8

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/...tions-detailed

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...c-F2P-worth-it

"As far as F2P games go it is the worst I have ever personally seen. Bioware/Swtor slaps so many arbitrary restrictions on you its ridiculous."

"I tried it again as a preferred player but it just felt too restrictive and had the feeling that everything in the game was an ad trying to get met o buy cartel coins for every little upgrade or ability so I stopped after about 30 minutes."

"I'd say SWTOR's F2P status is too restrictive for me to enjoy the game."


Thanks for getting me 20+ pages of response of some agreeing and some trying to defend the perfectness of SWTOR f2p.

I know a lot of f2p players who would disagree with these quotes

I don't know where this mentallity comes from, that people who do not pay for something should get the same thing as the ones who do.

Tell them to post on this forum! Oh wait...

This mentality* comes from games where you can get the same gameplay experience from those who pay and those who choose not to.

So what, the ability to write in the forum is now p2w as well?

Yes it is, it is restrictive to those who buy - to keep those dirty F2Pers from criticizing BioEAware's system.

That would be pay to be on-par with the others that are paying.
By your definition, any game with a subscription or even any game that you have to purchase (which is most games in general) are pay-to-win because you have to pay to get access to the good stuff (or any stuff)

No my logic, which I have posted about 4 times, is "Payments - in a free to play game - should only be used to broaden the gaming experience without affecting the core gameplay itself."

You know in free games like Dota, LoL, TF2, Tera, Rift, Aion. While the last three may have ways to level up faster, F2Pers can still play with the same experience as a payer.

So go play those games. Your choice.

And before you make the argument about driving players away, the flipside is also true. I was a Rift sub for many years and left when they announced FTP as in my opinion they did not offer enough extra to subs. And I wasn't alone.

What I didn't do was go on the forum and QQ.

It's always a balance. Find a game where the balance suits you. Simples.

This isnt a free to play game... its a freemium game.
You can play for free with restrictions.
You can pay to remove those restricions, either by one-time purchases for most of them, or by subscribing.

EDIT: and honestly, nobody cares what your definition of how a f2p game should work is.