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Propane's Avatar

07.16.2013 , 12:30 AM | #1
The Cartel Market isn't - the restrictions are.

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07.16.2013 , 01:19 AM | #2
With that logic, then paying a subscription fee is pay to win.
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Tatile's Avatar

07.16.2013 , 01:21 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
With that logic, then paying a subscription fee is pay to win.
Well, it does automagically allow you to wear Purple level gear mods.

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07.16.2013 , 01:28 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
Well, it does automagically allow you to wear Purple level gear mods.
Still not even close to "pay to win", though. It just allows the free players to have access to gear/mods that subs have. They are not winning anything, they are just becoming equal gear wise.

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07.16.2013 , 01:34 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
The Cartel Market isn't - the restrictions are.
Call me old fashioned, but anyone, who is to cheap to pay for lifting the basic restrictions doesn't deserve to win.

You do not need a running subscription to be on par with the subs. You just need a single small purchase to have access to everything that the subs have AND you can pay for that with credits, if you pay attention to the market.

If you call that pay to win, then I cannot help it.
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07.16.2013 , 01:39 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
With that logic, then paying a subscription fee is pay to win.
i believe that's what he's saying, yes.
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07.16.2013 , 01:41 AM | #7
With that logic every game that charges you to play is pay to win. So this is really a non-subject. I'd like to see game developers make games they can't charge you for...good luck with that.

F2P is to let you see the game and level to a decent level. Then it's up to you to decide if you want to partake fully in the game or just partly. Of course they will charge you for that. Without that the game will end. If they didn't put restrictions on F2P there are 2 problems: Gold sellers will have much greater access to the game via free accounts and people would stop paying subs cause it wouldn't be worth it. Again the game will cease to exist.

If you don't understand that.....<insert random comment about the OP not having or using his brain>
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07.16.2013 , 01:43 AM | #8
No, pay-to-win means if you pay, you win. The other players do not even have a chance of winning, until they pay as well. Then the playing field remains level until new gear is released, where everyone involved have to pay again.

Suppose if they were to release fully optimized Kell Dragon and Conqueror armor sets on the Cartel Market for 10.000 Cartel Coins or instant level 55 characters with every companion at 10.000 affection. That would be pay-to-save time but it would not be truly pay-to-win because alternate methods exist to acquire those items in-game. A set of Conqueror armor bought on the CM would not be superior to a set of Conqueror armor bought with ranked comms.

Selling those items in the CM would be destructive, certainly, a terrible idea that would drive many players away but it wouldn't be truly pay-to-win. Pay-to-win would be if they released armor sets with lvl90 mods that give you 80.000 HP and 5000 DPS/TPS/HPS....

So think about before you call stuff pay-to-win.

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07.16.2013 , 01:51 AM | #9
This game isn't P2W. It's only Pay-for-Ship Armor Advancement, Pay-to-Fashion and Pay-to-Rep.

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07.16.2013 , 01:52 AM | #10
People paid $60 for the game when it first came out. Those became the first batch of premium players after the relaunch. Buying a month of subscription or $5.00 or credits gets someone on par with far less investment.

The basis for this "pay-to-win" is poppycock. We have f2p players in our guild that can run FPs and Heroics well, and have advanced themselves to high levels. I tried that and while I could clearly advance, it looked more like work than fun. For the little it costs me, I have lots of fun.

So, to validate the truth of the OPs statement, someone will have to convince me of some restrictions that prevent them from playing alongside premium/sub players and winning. None that I have seen.