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JK & SW endings arent concurrent

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JK & SW endings arent concurrent

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Girdeux
07.08.2013 , 09:44 AM | #1
As most of us know the warriors get a letter from the Hands that while you were silencing Baras, the JK at the same time was fighting the Emperor. Now heres the thing, playing through an Inquistor again I noticed at the end while you were fighting Thanaton that Decimus, Acharon and Hadra were all present during the council meeting. The warrior ending happens sometime before this. This could mean one of the following things:

A) The hand are idiots and cant read the date and time. (Quite likely)
B) The hands are outright lying to the warrior so he doesnt find out about the Emperor's real plans. AKA the hand is manipulating the information (likely)
C) The JK didnt participate in the main republic takeover of Corellia, thus he leaves Corellia alot earlier then the other storylines (unlikely),
D) There was a breakdown between the writers of the story and mission designers in which they just placed all the council members in the SW/IA ending (somewhat likely).
E) I wrote this late as hell at night, and I could be overlooking a pretty important point (also likely)

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Pietrastor
07.08.2013 , 12:07 PM | #2
The answer is simple. JK killed the body the Emperor took over, but he didn't kill the Emperor's essence that returned to Emperor's original Pureblood body. JK simply doesn't know about it and he (and thus the Republic) thinks the Emperor is dead.

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SithKoriandr
07.08.2013 , 06:10 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
The answer is simple. JK killed the body the Emperor took over, but he didn't kill the Emperor's essence that returned to Emperor's original Pureblood body. JK simply doesn't know about it and he (and thus the Republic) thinks the Emperor is dead.
Doesn't that fall apart when you have Lord Scourge there to tell you "Yeah. No. Wasn't him. My bad, Jedi."

I hear this, and it feels more like a "I don't want the JK to have killed the Emperor." When it would seem everything points to, yup, he's just a ghost now. Now living on as a Force Ghost. Okay. Those are a dime a dozen.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Pietrastor
07.08.2013 , 06:19 PM | #4
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Doesn't that fall apart when you have Lord Scourge there to tell you "Yeah. No. Wasn't him. My bad, Jedi."

I hear this, and it feels more like a "I don't want the JK to have killed the Emperor." When it would seem everything points to, yup, he's just a ghost now. Now living on as a Force Ghost. Okay. Those are a dime a dozen.
Everything points to what it always did - Bioware wrote the Emperor up as a (future) villain for both factions. And I can pretty much bet the actual final kill will happen in an Operation which means there won't be any unique/personal class satisfaction of killing the Emperor for anyone, including me, so no, I don't have a personal bias because "I wanna kill the Emperor myself so I don't want JK to kill it". What is obvious to me though is that tons of JK players really can't deal with the fact that their Knight "Chosen One" power fantasy might get spoiled because they didn't actually killed the Emperor.

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SithKoriandr
07.08.2013 , 06:37 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
Everything points to what it always did - Bioware wrote the Emperor up as a (future) villain for both factions. And I can pretty much bet the actual final kill will happen in an Operation which means there won't be any unique/personal class satisfaction of killing the Emperor for anyone, including me, so no, I don't have a personal bias because "I wanna kill the Emperor myself so I don't want JK to kill it". What is obvious to me though is that tons of JK players really can't deal with the fact that their Knight "Chosen One" power fantasy might get spoiled because they didn't actually killed the Emperor.
My favorite storylines where Consular, Inquisitor, Bounty Hunter, Smuggler and Agent. I only put the JK storyline ahead of Trooper and close (maybe tied) with Sith Warrior.

So it's not like it ruins my personal power fantasy I also prefere Assassin/Shadow, Arsenal and Gunslinger play styles over JK/SW, so it's not me preferring JK/SW over others. It's me thinking things just as I said.

Scourge should know "Oh hey, that was just the voice." And while I'm sure they could bring back the Emperor, where exactly do you see it as "setup to bring back"?

I do think it was a bad idea to have the JK kill the Emperor, but unless they have the JK fall into a deep depression of "My whole life is a lie now" (doubtful) I just don't see it not being the JK killing the Emperor.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Pietrastor
07.08.2013 , 06:57 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
And while I'm sure they could bring back the Emperor, where exactly do you see it as "setup to bring back"?
Right at the basis of his character they wrote? He wants to kill everyone, including the Sith and the Imperial citizens/military etc. You don't get much more of a villain to the Empire than that

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SithKoriandr
07.08.2013 , 07:20 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
Right at the basis of his character they wrote? He wants to kill everyone, including the Sith and the Imperial citizens/military etc. You don't get much more of a villain to the Empire than that
And the reason Lord Scourge joins the JK and helps him kill the Emperor. The JK has to stop the guy who wants to destroy the universe.

And wants to kill everyone seems very Sith like to me. The question becomes, can they get away with it.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Pietrastor
07.08.2013 , 07:40 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
And the reason Lord Scourge joins the JK and helps him kill the Emperor. The JK has to stop the guy who wants to destroy the universe.
Good job JK, you delayed the Emperor. Body and soul are still alive though, as revealed in Warrior story.

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And wants to kill everyone seems very Sith like to me.
Unless other Sith are completely moronic, it ain't like they will go "woah! That's sounds like a true Sith plan! Everyone, come and let the Emperor kill us yay!".

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SithKoriandr
07.08.2013 , 07:52 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
Good job JK, you delayed the Emperor. Body and soul are still alive though, as revealed in Warrior story.

Unless other Sith are completely moronic, it ain't like they will go "woah! That's sounds like a true Sith plan! Everyone, come and let the Emperor kill us yay!".
I've played all the storylines to completion, and I don't recall seeing anything that said the Emperor was alive and well, body and soul.

And if he doesn't have his body, I can imagine many Sith going "Yeah. You're dead. Make way for those who haven't died."

And many are moronic. You see it in the JK storyline when the Emperor has people who know the plan and still want to make it happen.

But my point wasn't that a Sith would say "Yeah! Kill me!" but rather "Yeah! That's my goal too!"
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Girdeux
07.09.2013 , 12:27 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Pietrastor View Post
The answer is simple. JK killed the body the Emperor took over, but he didn't kill the Emperor's essence that returned to Emperor's original Pureblood body. JK simply doesn't know about it and he (and thus the Republic) thinks the Emperor is dead.
That isn't what I said at all. What I said was, the emperors hand lied to the warrior when they told you the emperors voice was defeated while you were dealing with Baras. It isn't possible when you fit it into a timeline.