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Scum & Villainy (NiM) 8-Man Progression Tracking

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Scum & Villainy (NiM) 8-Man Progression Tracking

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Iggyemu
08.14.2013 , 10:35 PM | #351
Quote: Originally Posted by xBeldin View Post
Any update on this?
Yea we tried somethings but it would require too many changes to the spreadsheet. I was really hoping we could adjust a variable we had put in there and get the results we wanted but that didn't work. So it'll stay the way it is. Its something we will definitely fix for the next round of progression in the fall. I apologize.
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Amantino
08.15.2013 , 12:06 AM | #352
I personally don't think it needs a lot of changes right now. Top 5 have all cleared it, and it's far down to the guilds that haven't. So what's the problem?

Edit. I see now that it's <Haterade>. Decent rank for every boss, full clear, but ranked quite low. Too hard time-punishment?
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thomasgharvey
08.15.2013 , 08:47 AM | #353
Quote: Originally Posted by Iggyemu View Post
Yea we tried somethings but it would require too many changes to the spreadsheet. I was really hoping we could adjust a variable we had put in there and get the results we wanted but that didn't work. So it'll stay the way it is. Its something we will definitely fix for the next round of progression in the fall. I apologize.
Seems more like a flawed system of which I still do not see its real benefits, have you not considered just using this format? http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=660217

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xBeldin
08.15.2013 , 07:07 PM | #354
Quote: Originally Posted by Amantino View Post
I personally don't think it needs a lot of changes right now. Top 5 have all cleared it, and it's far down to the guilds that haven't. So what's the problem?

Edit. I see now that it's <Haterade>. Decent rank for every boss, full clear, but ranked quite low. Too hard time-punishment?
Ultimately I agree with you, at this point whatever, but it does point out the flaws of this system and puts its validity into serious question.
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Carlenux
08.15.2013 , 09:58 PM | #355
Meh ill agree with you two there, but after all points are not important, at all, for me at least, but i guess hes right when the "ranking" order with those points can be misleading to guilds like those which kill ranking are higher than Points ranking for "any reason". so doesnt make sense a guild that cleared 7th is ranked under others that have not :S.

What i think you should add in there, or for next one, that would solve this problem is, right next to the points column in the first sheet, add 2 more columns "Kill Ranking", Title "Ranking"... that way people can be the own judges, lets say {hatred overall 1st - 4600 points - 3rd Kill.R - 1st Title.R}... someone is at 9 rank points, but is 7th KR and 5th TR lets say, people will know, 7th for kills, 5th for titles really good, and 9th overall for "whatever reason", after all what matter is when did you kill it and when did you get title, points are just extra part for fun, because they are not completely accurate, and wont ever be fair for everyone .
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JDotter
08.16.2013 , 12:09 AM | #356
Quote: Originally Posted by xBeldin View Post
Ultimately I agree with you, at this point whatever, but it does point out the flaws of this system and puts its validity into serious question.
Its flawed yes, everyone knows who has cleared it and hasn't. Could it be like the 16 version were it lists each boss and kills? Yes, in the end it truly doesn't matter.

Doing a more complicated system or reworking it is a time sink and its not needed currently.

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Iggyemu
08.16.2013 , 12:28 PM | #357
Quote: Originally Posted by Carlenux View Post
Meh ill agree with you two there, but after all points are not important, at all, for me at least, but i guess hes right when the "ranking" order with those points can be misleading to guilds like those which kill ranking are higher than Points ranking for "any reason". so doesnt make sense a guild that cleared 7th is ranked under others that have not :S.

What i think you should add in there, or for next one, that would solve this problem is, right next to the points column in the first sheet, add 2 more columns "Kill Ranking", Title "Ranking"... that way people can be the own judges, lets say {hatred overall 1st - 4600 points - 3rd Kill.R - 1st Title.R}... someone is at 9 rank points, but is 7th KR and 5th TR lets say, people will know, 7th for kills, 5th for titles really good, and 9th overall for "whatever reason", after all what matter is when did you kill it and when did you get title, points are just extra part for fun, because they are not completely accurate, and wont ever be fair for everyone .
We'll probably do something like that. More columns on the first sheet showing more info. Like you guys were first title. But DiLiH was first clear. And that's not represented on the first page. Only when you dig deeper and look through all of the kills. Not sure how many actually go through it. I think most just stop at the first page.

Quote: Originally Posted by thomasgharvey View Post
Seems more like a flawed system of which I still do not see its real benefits, have you not considered just using this format? http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=660217
It served its purpose. Everyone knew who the best 8-man guilds were because we ranked them. I didn't see anyone else jumping all of the forums to put something like this together. So feel free to take over with your own system for the next round of progression.

And honestly that goes for anyone. If you feel you can do better. Do it. We did it because nobody else wanted to. If you think you can do better or the same or worse...basically if you want to do it for the fall do it.
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Carlenux
08.16.2013 , 12:48 PM | #358
Quote: Originally Posted by Iggyemu View Post
We'll probably do something like that. More columns on the first sheet showing more info. Like you guys were first title. But DiLiH was first clear. And that's not represented on the first page. Only when you dig deeper and look through all of the kills. Not sure how many actually go through it. I think most just stop at the first page.



It served its purpose. Everyone knew who the best 8-man guilds were because we ranked them. I didn't see anyone else jumping all of the forums to put something like this together. So feel free to take over with your own system for the next round of progression.

And honestly that goes for anyone. If you feel you can do better. Do it. We did it because nobody else wanted to. If you think you can do better or the same or worse...basically if you want to do it for the fall do it.
i agree on both statements ... the extra columns will add a decent fix for it .
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xBeldin
08.16.2013 , 05:07 PM | #359
No need to get defensive, I appreciate the effort of putting this together and managing it. But for future reference "no one else would do it" is not a free pass from scrutiny. You obviously understand the responsibility of doing this and if the questions are annoying you can not do it. I know I'm not volunteering myself and if I did I can guarantee I'd screw it up. Keep up the good work it is appreciated.
Beldžn | Omega | Poledra
<Haterade>

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JDotter
08.16.2013 , 05:09 PM | #360
Quote: Originally Posted by Iggyemu View Post
We'll probably do something like that. More columns on the first sheet showing more info. Like you guys were first title. But DiLiH was first clear. And that's not represented on the first page. Only when you dig deeper and look through all of the kills. Not sure how many actually go through it. I think most just stop at the first page.



It served its purpose. Everyone knew who the best 8-man guilds were because we ranked them. I didn't see anyone else jumping all of the forums to put something like this together. So feel free to take over with your own system for the next round of progression.

And honestly that goes for anyone. If you feel you can do better. Do it. We did it because nobody else wanted to. If you think you can do better or the same or worse...basically if you want to do it for the fall do it.
What I was getting at. It served its purpose everyone knows who killed styrak quickly and has killed him. No one else would be willing to step up or attempt to organize it .