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Scum & Villainy (NiM) 8-Man Progression Tracking

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Scum & Villainy (NiM) 8-Man Progression Tracking

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KaboomzZz
07.16.2013 , 11:54 PM | #271
I disagree. I like Carl. Fellow exploiters are like family. You so crazy playing those videogames how you want and not how everyone else wants you to, get out of here you crazy guy.
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Thufir_Hawat
07.17.2013 , 12:07 AM | #272
Anyone who finished this material in the first week has a competitive team of top notch players. Where guilds finished in the progression race should just be a fun competition between us that resets each NiM mode. The competitive angle requires skill yes, but also a bit of luck and time in game neither of which are going to be even between teams.

I find the exploit discussion interesting, I think oversight is going to be very difficult as well as determining where the line is. The example of the warlords is a good one because although it makes the fight easier it is still not a faceroll, how many times did Sukafish wipe before downing them at the same time? We got damn lucky as our sniper was killed 5 secs before we needed orbital strike and so I had to use double saber throw with no relic, adrenal or form stacks. Main hand strike killed sunder but I needed an offhand strike of 240hp to kill the other one. Lots of things can still go wrong in that fight. In terms of snipers on thrasher, I feel this is just clever use of an ability, it is also on cooldown longer then the interval between spawns so you need a back up option for every second phase as well.

This could best be discussed in a separate thread as I think it has the potential to be a very long discussion.
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Carlenux
07.17.2013 , 01:24 AM | #273
Quote: Originally Posted by ancksunamur View Post
Just as a friendly side note. How would you know if we discussed it before hand if you weren't watching our strream, am sure the grapevine was in full blossom since the weekend. Your strategy is extremely similar to Hoths, and came a couple hours after the video came out. Now am not one to speculate what is said behind closed doors or what not am just making a simple observation. But it's just an opinion like it or not
i have to agree with you on that, just speculating, i saw your stream after like 5 hours of wiping because guildie outside said you used a "different strat", saw u went straight for it, so assumed u guys got to enrage the night before, but with with achievement i notice u didnt, asked in thread, only answer someone gave me was that someone from SF was watching the streams , exactly why i asked hoth not to post videos of the fight, so yeah i just assumed , yet none of u have given me a straight answer"yes" or "no" just random stuff, also my whole point was the "Live Streams" not your kill, i didnt care about your kill, i pointed that out lol.

PD: I do like the opinion, and heres the answer for you: the fight has 2 ways to be done, either forming a raid group full of KBs like yours, or using normal raid group and having personal KBs... is one way or the other, if you have a better idea on how to do it with our group composition, we would love to try it
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Carlenux
07.17.2013 , 01:38 AM | #274
Quote: Originally Posted by odawgg View Post
...yawwwnnn...I get sleepy after doing 3 things: women, herb, and beating sore losers in progression races...can we stop the chit chat?
try not to fall asleep then, 10 hours sleep might be the difference ... but hey finally some rivalry around here makes the game funnier, at least for me ... lets see who beats EU guilds next content... Oct. 1st for new ops, if Devs. dont delay it.
Hmaull // Carlenx // Carlenix // Pyrotec // Invinc // Hwynn

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Lacedemon
07.17.2013 , 01:53 AM | #275
I am a little worried on the difficulty of these new ops as after the challenge of NiM these will most likely be a let-down; and in a way rightly so I feel as much as I'd like NiM difficulty for HM ops I cannot see it happening.

I guess we will see closer to the time, they have only mentioned two ops so far and no word on difficulty or anything. Regardless new content is new content!!!!

Ahead of time (say last week or September) we should sit down have a chin wag and thrash out how we want progression to work.
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Carlenux
07.17.2013 , 01:59 AM | #276
Quote: Originally Posted by Lacedemon View Post
I am a little worried on the difficulty of these new ops as after the challenge of NiM these will most likely be a let-down; and in a way rightly so I feel as much as I'd like NiM difficulty for HM ops I cannot see it happening.

I guess we will see closer to the time, they have only mentioned two ops so far and no word on difficulty or anything. Regardless new content is new content!!!!

Ahead of time (say last week or September) we should sit down have a chin wag and thrash out how we want progression to work.
yeah chances are is going to be SM and HM as usual, and HM will be a simple 1-2 days clear, not like SaV wasnt cleared in less than a week, but doubt HM will be too hard... if they dont open HM PTS maybe, since its new mechanics, if they do, well.... we will see
Hmaull // Carlenx // Carlenix // Pyrotec // Invinc // Hwynn

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JDotter
07.17.2013 , 02:07 AM | #277
Sorc dps #1

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ancksunamur
07.17.2013 , 02:44 AM | #278
Quote: Originally Posted by Carlenux View Post
i have to agree with you on that, just speculating, i saw your stream after like 5 hours of wiping because guildie outside said you used a "different strat", saw u went straight for it, so assumed u guys got to enrage the night before, but with with achievement i notice u didnt, asked in thread, only answer someone gave me was that someone from SF was watching the streams , exactly why i asked hoth not to post videos of the fight, so yeah i just assumed , yet none of u have given me a straight answer"yes" or "no" just random stuff, so ill assume until then ... also my whole point was the "Live Streams" not your kill, i didnt care about your kill, i pointed that out lol.

PD: I do like the opinion, and heres the answer for you: the fight has 2 ways to be done, either forming a raid group full of KBs like yours, or using normal raid group and having personal KBs... is one way or the other, if you have a better idea on how to do it with our group composition, we would love to try it
Well since you don't like to watch streams other then ours (thank you by the way, we hit an all time high, and are thinking of selling T shirts, let me know you'd like one ) , it's nice to have a following. As to were we watching streams? Ya we watched streams, watched them on my phone as I was at work all day long. Infact when I first came home that night I was watching 4 different streams (Big Bang Theory was a rerun, I tell you I hate summer programing)

But we also did them on the PTR, as others we're still in TFB so we knew most of the fights ahead of time. And that lousy reddit you know always posting so many ways of doing fights. It's quite interesting, and in fact Ivaed did mention the night b4 on killing 2 at the same time. Though I would like to know who copyrighted that strategy, well am sure the same grapevine you guys use will give me tell me so I can pay the fees.

As for group comp it wasn't much different then most of our raid , we used a jugg tank for a few fights, and ran double marauder for a little bit, and brought in our merc healer since our other healer couldn't be around for the weekend. Swapped out some friendly on watchers, changed our normal mascot the squirrel to a goldfish, and I think we changed our milk man too, not sure I'll ask papa about that one, he normally deals with the milk man.

But don't worry will remember ya's when the PTR goes live again. We've yet to decide if we're going to participate on October the 1st', due to work, school you know the normal stuff. I don't see us taking time off to do a HM raid, am sure some new guild will sneak in as servers come on to claim victory. Perhaps on the next NiM you'll see us. But let me know on those shirts, and just wondering do you think selling our action figures would be going too far?
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Carlenux
07.17.2013 , 03:55 AM | #279
Quote: Originally Posted by ancksunamur View Post
Well since you don't like to watch streams other then ours (thank you by the way, we hit an all time high, and are thinking of selling T shirts, let me know you'd like one ) , it's nice to have a following. As to were we watching streams? Ya we watched streams, watched them on my phone as I was at work all day long. Infact when I first came home that night I was watching 4 different streams (Big Bang Theory was a rerun, I tell you I hate summer programing)

But we also did them on the PTR, as others we're still in TFB so we knew most of the fights ahead of time. And that lousy reddit you know always posting so many ways of doing fights. It's quite interesting, and in fact Ivaed did mention the night b4 on killing 2 at the same time. Though I would like to know who copyrighted that strategy, well am sure the same grapevine you guys use will give me tell me so I can pay the fees.

As for group comp it wasn't much different then most of our raid , we used a jugg tank for a few fights, and ran double marauder for a little bit, and brought in our merc healer since our other healer couldn't be around for the weekend. Swapped out some friendly on watchers, changed our normal mascot the squirrel to a goldfish, and I think we changed our milk man too, not sure I'll ask papa about that one, he normally deals with the milk man.

But don't worry will remember ya's when the PTR goes live again. We've yet to decide if we're going to participate on October the 1st', due to work, school you know the normal stuff. I don't see us taking time off to do a HM raid, am sure some new guild will sneak in as servers come on to claim victory. Perhaps on the next NiM you'll see us. But let me know on those shirts, and just wondering do you think selling our action figures would be going too far?
yeah of course, action figures? not a big fan, shirts? thats 100% yes, just make sure shipping is free to where i live or i wont pay for extra, .... anyways all joking aside since i am getting bored already, i think streaming live progress is a mistake, i mean of course people like watching them, but most of them are just guilds trying to get sneak peek on fights, or copy strats, just my opinion.

on the other hand, after like all the like 8 different ways u found out of the strat, the guy that knew it 1 night before, BBT Swtor spoilers, Reddit, Forums, PTS, sore losers, whos better than who, speculation bla bla... etc... none of them including "watching 7 stuck stream" or doing the fight for real and hitting soft/hard enrage... wouldnt it had been(this might be spelled terribly wrong lol) easier to avoid all this after i pointed out that i wasnt blaming anyone for cheating, just that it was kind of obvious and found it unlucky and maybe unfair for us at that point.... wasnt it easier to just say: "no, actually we knew it from PTS" , or "well we like streaming, so does them, i dont think we can prvent that (comment about the real point of my comment -.-)" OR "yeah of course we knew from the stream, we wanted to catch up, didnt want to waste time on it, bad luck you didnt watch it but cant do anything about it"... i would have said: "yeah of course, make sense, after 5 hours wiping did that too to catch up... but thats why i dont like live streaming, but again, was nice competition, good luck with titles"... was that too hard? just saying.... it just feels like u guys hiding something u didnt want me to say lol, not sure why, everyone killed it that way lol, you just were the example on my streaming comment, that was nowhere related or going towards / against SF lol.
Hmaull // Carlenx // Carlenix // Pyrotec // Invinc // Hwynn

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Lacedemon
07.17.2013 , 04:58 AM | #280
I wish we could take time off work for progression; raiding all night too the wee hours of morning then off to work sucks *cries*

I know after DG NiM i slept for a good 10hours, and many we didn't see for even longer
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