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36/3/7 Sharpshooter Guide [UPDATED]

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36/3/7 Sharpshooter Guide [UPDATED]

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ScytheEleven
07.17.2013 , 09:06 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Falver View Post
http://www.torparse.com/a/340415/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3088 DPS; 33.17% crit
http://www.torparse.com/a/340436/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3099 DPS; 29.67% crit
While this isn't the highest DPS parse I've done, I think this is probably the best one I've done in general. Notice the lack of auto attacks and 5 sabotage charges in the first and 6 sabotage charges in the second.
The second parse in particular is interesting, the crit percentages are all sub-par and is by far one of my highest parses.
More to come! With the additional 60~70 DPS of having sabotage charge, you have consistently more parses in the 3000 range.
How in the world are you doing 36/3/7 w/o using auto attacks, AND getting in Sab Charge?

Honestly, I've been trying to get this spec down since my beloved Dirty Fighting just isn't holding up. However, I actually do more DPS in a full Dirty Fighting spec than this.

XS Flyby > Aimed Shot > Trick Shot leaves me at about 65 energy. Speed Shot then puts me down to 50, and even with Burst Volley popped after that my energy never recovers. I managed to get through a five minute parse somehow this way, but my DPS was around 150 less than when I just ignored Sab Charge all together, focused on keeping Vital Shot up, and did this for my Burst Volleys:

Speed Shot > Trick Shot (Burst Volley) > Speed Shot > XS Flyby > Trickshot.

I watched Paowee's video and still have no idea how the hell you guys are pulling of these big 3k numbers. With my gear, I should be around mid 2950's. Instead, I'm low 2700's.

Here is a link to my parses from this morning:

http://www.torparse.com/a/343730/2/0/Overview

Cropped at five minutes, they're all over 2700.

In comparison, I hit mid 2800's (2840 - 2870) consistently in full Dirty Fighting, with my highest being 2910ish. The 36/3/7 build should do more, but I have no idea what I'm missing. I've tried using the spread sheet, but I get rather confused.

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EnzoForMe
07.19.2013 , 08:42 AM | #52
Can you explain the reasoning behind 0 crit?

Going from 19.XX % to just over 25% requires dropping about 60-70 primary damage. This is with min maxed pvp conq gear, and no crit bonus from the DF tree.

Do you believe that it's better to sacrifice about 5.5% crit (giving you less chance to tap into surge bonuses in the marks tree) to gain 60-70 primary damage all the time?

I can see how this might be worth it for pve (pvp having more crit before crap returns means more burst which is king) but even for pve I'd like to hear your thought process behind it.
Caprica<Hakuna Matata> <LD50>

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Kadjunga
07.19.2013 , 10:06 AM | #53
in pvp gear, you do want some crit as well but the focus of this thread has been mostly on pve. Not pvp. In full pve gear, you will hit 23-24% crit when you are underworld geared, just from cunning.

However, the same (or very similar) tree that Samuel posted in the beginning is very viable for pvp as well. Just slight changes around in the SS tree for more survival.

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EnzoForMe
07.19.2013 , 10:28 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Kadjunga View Post
in pvp gear, you do want some crit as well but the focus of this thread has been mostly on pve. Not pvp. In full pve gear, you will hit 23-24% crit when you are underworld geared, just from cunning.

However, the same (or very similar) tree that Samuel posted in the beginning is very viable for pvp as well. Just slight changes around in the SS tree for more survival.
Yeah I know this thread is pve driven, and I'm not asking about specs or builds, just about crit. And this still doesn't answer my question. Aren't cunning and critical rating separate in regards to DR for crit rating? That is to say, you will have 25% from cunning, but then you add in another 5 and you could be above 30.

Or do they share the same DR?
Caprica<Hakuna Matata> <LD50>

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namesaretough
07.19.2013 , 12:46 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by EnzoForMe View Post
Yeah I know this thread is pve driven, and I'm not asking about specs or builds, just about crit. And this still doesn't answer my question. Aren't cunning and critical rating separate in regards to DR for crit rating? That is to say, you will have 25% from cunning, but then you add in another 5 and you could be above 30.

Or do they share the same DR?
I can't answer the rest outside of "someone did some math that I don't quite think I agree with", but crit rating and cunning definitely have separate diminishing returns.

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EnzoForMe
07.19.2013 , 06:16 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by namesaretough View Post
I can't answer the rest outside of "someone did some math that I don't quite think I agree with", but crit rating and cunning definitely have separate diminishing returns.

Okay thank you that helps me a bit in that regard.
Caprica<Hakuna Matata> <LD50>

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SamuelAU
07.29.2013 , 06:20 AM | #57
Thought I'd check in with the thread even if it's been a bit quiet over the past week or two.

I finally got a chance to do some serious NiM raiding and was running with the torparse overlay to get an idea of my DPS output as the fight progressed. For an idea of how much insane burst this spec has, I regularly noted 5k+ DPS during opening burn phases and a few times saw a brief glimpse of 7.2k DPS with a bit of luck.

I'll be re-evaluating the original post this coming week and thinking about how I can make the guide clearer or more informative. Thanks for the all the support.
Gomerik // Lumbridge
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paowee
07.29.2013 , 08:27 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by SamuelAU View Post
Thought I'd check in with the thread even if it's been a bit quiet over the past week or two.

I finally got a chance to do some serious NiM raiding and was running with the torparse overlay to get an idea of my DPS output as the fight progressed. For an idea of how much insane burst this spec has, I regularly noted 5k+ DPS during opening burn phases and a few times saw a brief glimpse of 7.2k DPS with a bit of luck.

I'll be re-evaluating the original post this coming week and thinking about how I can make the guide clearer or more informative. Thanks for the all the support.
A google doc guide like the one i have in Engineering

I could it too if ya want
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Falver
08.01.2013 , 01:24 AM | #59
http://www.torparse.com/a/363990/19/0/Overview
13 minute parse for a point of reference. At some point I started throwing in sabotage charge as often as possible but... meh.
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paowee
08.01.2013 , 10:54 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by ScytheEleven View Post
How in the world are you doing 36/3/7 w/o using auto attacks, AND getting in Sab Charge?
I'd like to know this as well!

Just adding my old parses in this thread:

3001 DPS 17m 21s http://www.torparse.com/a/289775/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3014 DPS 16m 48s http://www.torparse.com/a/289775/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3050 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/289775/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3126 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/302905/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3098 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/302344/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3092 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/304422/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3084 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/302344/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3087 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/300924/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3087 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/289775/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3103 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/288190/tim...0/Damage+Dealt

Also Scythe waiting on the video to finish encoding and then will upload it to youtube. a bit lengthy at ~9 minutes
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