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Andryah
07.07.2013 , 10:53 AM | #491
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
there is still the possibility they will reverse the course of pretty much every decision they've made since f2p.
The sky could fall too..but it's more likely you win the powerball (ie: exceedingly unlikely to happen.)

Put the Chicken Little down and step away from the keyboard. You really are just off the deep end now and nobody is going to take you seriously....not even those who adore your cynicism.
"The internet has enabled so much and empowered so many. But it can also be a place where the basic rules of decency are suspended and pettiness and negativity thrive, - Tim Cook, Apple CEO

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Andryah
07.07.2013 , 10:57 AM | #492
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
possibly both?
Definitely both curtkram.. by all appearances.

Why do you play this game if it makes you so cynical and miserable? Sincere question.
"The internet has enabled so much and empowered so many. But it can also be a place where the basic rules of decency are suspended and pettiness and negativity thrive, - Tim Cook, Apple CEO

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curtkram
07.07.2013 , 10:58 AM | #493
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Good questions! The title will cost 10 CC and the title will unlock per character. There is also a collections unlock associated with it which will cost 5 CC. Also for those who 10 CC is "too rich for my blood" the item, like all CM items, will be tradeable so you will likely see some popping up on your local GTN.

-eric
by the way, it's not "too rich for my blood." i think the bigger issue is that you're releasing too much through the cartel market and not enough through regular in-game means. i think there are a lot of us who would like to play the 'game' part of the game, instead of just buying more stuff that has been introduced through the cartel market.

if you think there are a lot of players who think 10 CCs is "too rich for my blood," it sounds to me like you're not trying to understand what people are saying. if you honestly think the failure of communication is on my end here, PM me and i'll be happy to communicate as much and clearly with you as i possibly can. i won't hide anything from you, or try to deceive you in any way.

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curtkram
07.07.2013 , 11:15 AM | #494
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Definitely both curtkram.. by all appearances.

Why do you play this game if it makes you so cynical and miserable? Sincere question.
i like the people in the guild i'm in, and the 'game' part is enjoyable. buying ewoks from a retail shop is not a game. buying a title from the gtn that was introduced through the cartel market is not a game. this is not a single player game, and the $15/mo should provide content updates instead of just new things to buy through the cartel market.

what bioware has been doing is not a balanced approach that respects both the cartel market (which is not a game) and the game (which is enjoyable.) what they've done is essentially give up on developing the game and go for cash grabs, which are not fun. the game has potential. that potential does not lie in the cartel market. the potential is in pvp warzones, flashpoints, ops, and other playable group content where you actually have to put in some thought and effort into defeating something.

when was the last release of new playable content (not just a new nightmare mode of existing content, but new story, new models and environments, etc.) for subscribers, and when was the last release of new playable content that didn't cost extra? how does that fit in with the 8 week update schedule? something like 12 and 20 weeks? that will be closer to 20 and 28 by the time 2.3 is released.

is the only thing you enjoy about the game buying stuff through the cartel market and running dailies, or would you prefer to see an update with "game" content that isn't gated through the cartel market?

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Axe_Faktor
07.07.2013 , 11:30 AM | #495
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaywinnit View Post
The email said one time grant. So it appears to be a one time grant.
Just checked, and now I feel ridiculous. Thanks for the help. Hopefully that means that whatever the second alluded to subscriber gift near the end of the month is will be something different.
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Andryah
07.07.2013 , 12:00 PM | #496
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
is the only thing you enjoy about the game buying stuff through the cartel market and running dailies, or would you prefer to see an update with "game" content that isn't gated through the cartel market?
Personally, I don't buy from the CM. I save my CCs for things that I want that can only be acquired via direct CC expense (like Collections unlocks, or appearance changes). There are a couple of Legacy Unlocks that are modest in CC, but expensive in credits.. and so I will buy those as well.

For all the actual CM content.. I buy it off the GTN at market prices, using credits. It's the sensible thing to do IMO as a subscriber who has the means to do so.

And as to your contention that they are not doing content updates except to the CM now days.. that claim is patently false, and you know it.

I get that you do not like the CM, CCs, or anything associate with them. But just because you feel it is not right, and that there is an unfair balance in content going to the CM.. that does not make it true.

IMO, the balance is pretty good since November, and as a subscriber it has had no negative impacts to my game play, play style, or enjoyment of the game. It would be nice of they did not use the content leap-frog approach on major patches, where they rotate between PvE, PvP, events, QoL, etc. But, that has been their methodology since launch.. so there is no reason to expect them to change it now. Each special interest group simply has to be patient and wait for their piece of cake to release. They are releasing pretty consistently to their post F2P timeline target of 6-8 weeks... so IMO they are in the groove, are moving the game progressively forward, and overall the player base is stable, alive, and enjoying itself.
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curtkram
07.07.2013 , 12:26 PM | #497
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Personally, I don't buy from the CM. I save my CCs for things that I want that can only be acquired via direct CC expense (like Collections unlocks, or appearance changes). There are a couple of Legacy Unlocks that are modest in CC, but expensive in credits.. and so I will buy those as well.
so what do you do? just run dailies every day on 28 characters? is that broad user base you think bioware should be catering to?

when i was on the forum complaining about dead servers long ago, you were here telling us your server was well populated and doing fine. the same sort of thing you're saying now. i was right. they screwed up, and instead of fixing it they ignored the problem.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I get that you do not like the CM, CCs, or anything associate with them. But just because you feel it is not right, and that there is an unfair balance in content going to the CM.. that does not make it true.
just because i 'feel' something does not make it right. that's true. however, in this case, as in the past, i'm right and you are mistaken. i don't know why you defend bioware when what they do is, on occasion, clearly a bad idea. but you do.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
And as to your contention that they are not doing content updates except to the CM now days.. that claim is patently false, and you know it.
what update hasn't been focused on making money from the CM, or from the expansion? return of the gree, update 1.7, was in february, and included new original content. adding a mechanic to an existing op is only an added mechanic, not really new content. you can go to the patch notes and link to the playable content with new story content that has been released since then. or tell me you made a mistake in suggesting my statement is 'patently false.' or just ignore what you said and pretend it will go away.

what you consider 'balanced' looks something like this:
2.1, 5/14, appearance customization. cathar. dyes. name change. all available for cartel coins. nothing that would actually be considered a "game"
2.1.1, a couple weeks later, new 'galactic diversity' bundle, new vehicle, turncoat armor, all available for cartel coins. nothing that would actually be considered a "game."

to be fair, bioware has since then shown their appreciation for their subscribers with extra cartel coins. which can only be spent on the cartel market. see the trend developing yet?

so, is the broad base they're developing for mostly just you, and you don't like actually playing 'games,' but would prefer to just run dailies and buy stuff on the gtn?

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Andryah
07.07.2013 , 12:51 PM | #498
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
so what do you do? just run dailies every day on 28 characters? is that broad user base you think bioware should be catering to?
Same as I do for every MMO I play........I do a wide range of different things in game... totally depending on the mood I am in at that moment. What I do not do is cookie cutter my activities into some boring repetitive grind like you are suggesting. I diversify my play precisely to prevent repetition. Why? because at the end of the day, I recognize that a Game gives me a collection of things to do.. but it is on me to use what is given in a productive, constructive, and non-boring non-tedious manner.

Sometimes, I am doing a guild activity, be an OP, or WB circuit, or whatever.
Sometimes I am rolling with a few guildies helping them with missions
Sometimes I am doing my own thing.. rolling whatever character I feel like playing in whatever direction I choose.
The only thing I do daily is to play one of my favorite mini-games... the GTN. It's what I do in every MMO to pay the bills and provide wealth to do whatever I want to do in a game.

One thing I actually rarely ever do is the dailies. They are boring to me, and I certainly don't need them for the income. The only time I will do dailies in an MMO is if there is a faction/rep reward that I really want and it is locked behind the faction/rep.

MMOs provide a suite of content and activities for players to make use of.. but it's on each player to assess what is presented, and make personal choices for how to apply the content (regardless what the content is). It's on the player to enjoy and continue to enjoy.

Note: the entire rest of your comments are just sour grapes.. repeated for the umpteenth time, in your own biased manner. I do not share your bias against the game, and there is no point in me commenting yet again to the same replayed soundtrack of cynicism and anger.
"The internet has enabled so much and empowered so many. But it can also be a place where the basic rules of decency are suspended and pettiness and negativity thrive, - Tim Cook, Apple CEO

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Lyshar
07.07.2013 , 12:53 PM | #499
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaywinnit View Post
The email said one time grant. So it appears to be a one time grant.
Actually, it says that that is a one time grant, as in it doesn't repeat on it's own. They can very well give another one time grant at the end of the month.

Or they'll actually give us something not cartel coin related if they actually do read what we write, which I highly doubt at this point.

The fact that they promised to do something similar at the end of the month tells me they really thought they wanted to make this mean something, so they are either forbidden, delayed things too long, are completely unable to see what we may or may not want ,don't really appreciate us at all or multiple of the aforementioned.

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curtkram
07.07.2013 , 01:30 PM | #500
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
And as to your contention that they are not doing content updates except to the CM now days.. that claim is patently false, and you know it.
then i suppose we can at least agree i do not know that my statement was patently false

doesn't the cartel market break, our at least somewhat devalue, the in-game gtn? i obviously don't have as much time to invest in this game as you (based on the 28 characters remarks), so i've dabbled with gtn values but not enough to get a good hold of it. what i do know is that bioware 'magics' resources into existence through the cartel market. that means stuff of value is not created through player investment in time or in-game mechanics. instead, resources are introduced into the gtn by spending real-life money. this is sort of like removing the gold backing of paper dollars, except a hell of a lot more unstable since it's a video game. if you and i were to 'compete' in the 'gtn game,' with me spending rl money and you not spending rl money, i would have a considerable advantage. not only that, but depending on how much rl money i spent, i would be establishing the prices of stuff on the gtn and ultimately dictating how much you could make.

you can create wealth, as i understand it, from sending your companions on resources missions, so maybe you're suggesting that's what you do. i don't think those resources are available through the cartel market, so that should not be as affected (except through inflation).