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Why do you PvE?


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Kitru
06.28.2013 , 12:16 AM | #11
I like PvE for the same reason that I prefer playing D&D to playing Risk/Monopoly/etc. The fun comes from the cooperative nature of overcoming a piece of content with my friends. In PvP, the only variation you'll experience is in variability of your opponents' group composition and relative skill level. While there are a lot of potential variations, most of them are worthless so you generally see a pretty limited real variation in composition. In PvE, while each individual fight is generally the same (or close enough that it doesn't matter, like the random nature of Olok the Shadow's fight or the order with which you can kill the Cartel Warlords), the fights, as a whole, are substantially more varied than you'll find in PvP.

There's also the aspect that some fights are just *fun*. It's like watching your favorite movie multiple times. There's only *one* fight in the entire game that, barring those with some balance issues (i.e. terribad spikiness combined with content designed like it was specifically built around killing Shadows based on RNG while letting the other tanks laugh at it), that I don't thoroughly enjoy. The fights aren't your standard fare and that makes them fun, even when you've done them time and again. I'll admit that some of them get old time and time again, but some are simply *amazing* (seriously, I want Soa to be brought back as at 55, even if it were for just a single boss fight; that fight is *amazeballs*).

It doesn't help that, in all of my experiences, PvP is pretty much where all of the rudest, most antagonistic, and most vitriolic players tend to pool, and, since I don't play the game to get rabid levels of insults and rudeness hurled at me no matter what I do, I don't like it and end up doing my damnedest to completely eliminate it from my gameplay if at all possible. PvE gets competitive and has its fair share of rude/insulting players, but it's cooperative competitiveness, not direct competition between two groups where you either win or you lose, and you're only liable to get coated in hate if you're playing like an idiot.
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AlrikFassbauer
06.28.2013 , 04:12 AM | #12
I try to do role-playing (like within my TDE pen & paper group), but in fact I had to acknowledge that SWTOR is in fact an hack & slay Action-RPG after Blizzard's overly-successful model.

And since I just can't stand hack & slay, I do know that I'll get off SWTOR at one point in the future (probably after all my class stories are done, and I exclusively play Republic).

I just can't stand slaying and slashing masses of NPC hordes. I just can't. I'm far too sensitive for that.
But - Programmers and Developers following Blizzard's success/model just expect that.
That players are willing to do as much hack & slay with only micromarginal social NPC interaaction as possible.

So, in fact, ALL MMORPGs that i know of cater only 1 kind of gamer : Those who absolutely love hack & slay.
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Anthraxal
06.28.2013 , 04:14 AM | #13
I do it 4 teh lulz.

Nice troll attempt, I'll give it 4/5 for the effort.

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zzoorrzz
06.28.2013 , 04:17 AM | #14
Because there is nothing better to do. This has a lot to do with pvp being so piss poor.

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AlrikFassbauer
06.28.2013 , 04:23 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthraxal View Post
I do it 4 teh lulz.

Nice troll attempt, I'll give it 4/5 for the effort.
You give 4/5 to yourself ???
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Anthraxal
06.28.2013 , 04:36 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
You give 4/5 to yourself ???
Nay, not for such an half-*****ed retort. That's barely worth 1/5 and i'm generous, but I did not get my 3rd coffee yet and don't feel like launching in a full-fledged PvEr vs PvPr forum war right now so I figured I would just mention my trollscanner had stirred out of sleep mode on reading the OP.

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NoFishing
06.28.2013 , 04:47 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
I want Soa to be brought back as at 55, even if it were for just a single boss fight;
I so agree with this. For me it is only second to Terror for fun factor. Pre-1.2, it really required competence from everyone. Coordinating *exactly* when to push Soa so that nobody was in a mind trap or going to be dropped to their death took a pretty decent team to do. And even if the pre-1.2 RNG is too much, I'd love to see some kind of extra mechanic added there. Maybe have the ancient pylons explode with a knockback when they die.

As long as we are on the subject, the fight I hated the most was Karagga. Who's bright idea was it to add a "prostate exam" to this fight? The other mechanics are fine, but the drill thing is just dumb. Even more irritating than Chief's let's-stun-all-the-melee-every-10-seconds mechanic.

The biggest problem with PvP is that, while you may not know the outcome, there isn't a lot you can do about it either. Unless you are doing ranked or premades, most matches seem to be decided when the queue pops, based on who you got in your group vs the other team. The truly close competitive matches where your individual performance actually makes any difference at all are rare.

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Leafy_Bug
06.28.2013 , 07:21 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by axka View Post
- Is it for loot?
- Is it because you don't know what else to do?
- Is it to be social and doing stuff with your guild?
- Is it because PvP is worse than a Justin Bieber song?
- Are you competative or is it simply just for the love of the game?

I don't understand how guilds can dedicate hours and hours to defeat computer controlled pixels so they can get even more pixels and computer coding with purple color. But that's just me.

What am I missing? Why do you PvE?

Being utterly bored of PVP and the 1 map per year approach, I dabble in raids twice a week.

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psandak
06.28.2013 , 07:49 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerconus View Post
For me it's the rush of downing a boss for the first time. The exhilaration I get when I and my teammates perform perfectly and everything coalesces into a win.
Above all else...THIS

I have been playing MMOs for more than a decade, and this feeling is what keeps bringing me back.

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Yes, the mechanics are known ahead of time and are fixed, however it's one thing to 'know' what is going to happen. Reacting in the proper way to down a boss is different animal entirely. Just my opinion, and I'm not even a hard core raider. I've only gotten as far as DG HM, but I still get a rush every time we kill them.
Again this. Knowing what to do is one thing, being able to execute it is VERY different. Reading all the strategy guides and watching umpteen videos never REALLY prepares you for a boss fight. Only by engaging and seeing the fight for yourself do you really begin to understand the potential difficulties. Furthermore, PvE and PvP are not that much different when it comes to strategies - for every WZ there's only maybe three viable strategies that work with any consistency. The only variable is which team executes their chosen strategy better.


Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
its fun the way dancing is fun, the way acting in a theatrical performance is fun, singing in a band is fun. the point is in teamwork and execution and friends or at least people who like each other - having a good time together.

now, I understand the fun of pvp even if its not my preferred pastime, but it provides a very different dynamic from pve.

the thing to take away from this is... people have fun in a variety of ways and just because you personally cannot understand or relate? doesn't make it less fun or invalid to those who do.

for example, I just don't get baseball. oh I understand how the game is played, but it bores me silly, watching even more then tyring to play. and yet... people love it. REALLy love it. so who am I to rain on their parade.
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In addition, on the gear side of things, in PvE there is no "participation award". In PvP you can lose EVERY match/encounter you EVER engage in and still eventually acquire the best gear available for that aspect of the game because simply participating you get WZ comms. In PvE, you don't down the boss you don't get jack squat.

Lastly, in all candor, I am just not good at PvP. I get my *** kicked more often than I kick ***, and it is not a matter of practice or rotation or spec or gear, it is a matter of the fact that I do not have the manual dexterity in my hands and fingers to do all the crazy **** that the best players do. And getting my *** kicked is not fun...period.

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xGBox
06.28.2013 , 07:59 AM | #20
- Is it for loot?
Yes

- Is it because you don't know what else to do?
No

- Is it to be social and doing stuff with your guild?
Maybe

- Is it because PvP is worse than a Justin Bieber song?
I don't know

- Are you competative or is it simply just for the love of the game?
Can you repeat the question?
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