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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 11:18 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I find it ironic that anyone in this forum would use one of the most complained about aspects of the game (travel) and declare it as magically converting fluff to non-fluff.

Fluff with breadcrumbs that you follow around the Galaxy is still fluff. Oh... wait.. did you gain mission experience from following the breadcrumbs..... or unique rare and desirable lore based gear or items????



As far as I am concerned, Lore that adds nothing to the progression of the game, or playable content IS FLUFF.

Lore that is integral to your progression of your character through the game (such as your class story) is not fluff, any more then gear with stats on it (so you can fight effectively) is fluff.

Lore that is a stand alone disintegral element obtained by random chance off the CM and is in no way integrated into a character story arc, leads to special mission chains and rewards, or is required to progress a character through the game IS FLUFF, just as CM armor skins that look nifty by offer nothing other then niftiness is fluff.
by your own definition, class quest are and are not required lore get your facts straight, because we can all pvp and progress to endgame, also you just need levels to do World quests, so youre telling me that all of the events that happen on all planets are fluff? and that makeb is Fluff? its not an armor andryah, and those were not made by the CM market team, this is not a common MMO, it does not resolve only around items, it is Story based, again read what youre posting and stop trying to desperatly defend this, and to me 9 logs(as they are reported to be 9) feels like a small quest chain.
PS: stop with the progress thing because as i said, you do no need to see any story to progress to endgame.

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06.18.2013 , 11:21 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by NovemberAllthing View Post
I'd like a reward I can actually use on my 55s please.
Me too. I don't pvp and XP boost doesn't work on legacy XP afaik. Very disappointing "reward" from an artifact item, whichever way it was obtained.

I do appreciate the story bits, but I would never have paid any money for them, real or virtual.
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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 11:23 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
The only person bending the word fluff is you, and a few others who for whatever reason insist that a cutscene that is disintegral to your character is material content.

IMO, this is just another attempt to go /hate on the CM content. Any chance to declare CM content as not-fluff, so you can rally the crowd into rebellion about the CM.

Tell you what... when they add a new chapter for character story that is CM only, or even a planet mission chain, I'll stand next to you and help you fire the artillery. Until then....it's all just Chicken Little-Part_Deux.
nope, the only person doing that is you, this is no Chicken little or whatever you want to make up, you do not see me hating the CM or real fluff stuff, also Cutscenes are not fluff, not matter how small they are, again in your definition all World quests is disintegral to our characters, even makeb since its only a world quest, get your facts straight and stop the "oh its fine youre going overboard" act.
PS: you do rather wait and see they selling bigger story stuff to the market then offer feedback now lol? that says a lot about you.

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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 11:25 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Sohaim View Post
by your own definition, class quest are and are not required lore get your facts straight, because we can all pvp and progress to endgame, also you just need levels to do World quests, so youre telling me that all of the events that happen on all planets are fluff? and that makeb is Fluff? its not an armor andryah, and those were not made by the CM market team, this is not a common MMO, it does not resolve only around items, it is Story based, again read what youre posting and stop trying to desperatly defend this, and to me 9 logs(as they are reported to be 9) feels like a small quest chain.
LOL... Wut? Stop running in circles and claiming I have said things I have not said.

How about you read what I am posting instead.

Do you know the difference between integral to the game and disintegral to the game? Get back to me when you do.. OK. thanks.

Fluff is disintegral to the game in that it is not required to progress through the game. It there for players to self-edify in the game lore, costumes, etc, etc.

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PS: stop with the progress thing because as i said, you do no need to see any story to progress to endgame.
If you are claiming that you can spacebar through story... OK.. but then that makes your precious random and disconnected cutscenes even more fluffy and devoid of game substance.

If you are claiming that you do no have to do PvE missions to progress in the game... OK... but then again... you have just trivialized your precious cutscenes to nothing again.

PvE missions, both class, and side missions, are a primary progression tool in the game for players to take their characters from 1-55. Stop pretending they are not.
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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 11:29 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Sohaim View Post
PS: you do rather wait and see they selling bigger story stuff to the market then offer feedback now lol? that says a lot about you.
Dude... they already stated that these trivial stand alones are as far as they will go via CM.

Chicken LIttle: The sky is falling... the sky is falling.
Reality: The sky is not falling

Sohaim: see they selling bigger story stuff to the market....see they selling bigger story stuff to the market
Reaity: They already declared they are not going to
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Mike_Bluesky
06.18.2013 , 11:29 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
PvE missions, both class, and side missions, are a primary progression tool in the game for players to take their characters from 1-55. Stop pretending they are not.
So let me get this straight
progression missions = lore
not progression missions = lore but fluffy lore?
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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 11:32 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike_Bluesky View Post
So let me get this straight
progression missions = lore
not progression missions = lore but fluffy lore?
Where did I say this?

You are trying way too hard here MB.
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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 11:33 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
LOL... Wut? Stop running in circles and claiming I have said things I have not said.

How about you read what I am posting instead.

Do you know the difference between integral to the game and disintegral to the game? Get back to me when you do.. OK. thanks.

Fluff is disintegral to the game in that it is not required to progress through the game. It there for players to self-edify in the game lore, costumes, etc, etc.



If you are claiming that you can spacebar through story... OK.. but then that makes your precious random and disconnected cutscenes even more fluffy and devoid of game substance.

If you are claiming that you do no have to do PvE missions to progress in the game... OK... but then again... you have just trivialized your precious cutscenes to noting again.

PvE missions, both class, and side missions, are a primary progression tool in the game for players to take their characters from 1-55. Stop pretending they are not.
again, read what you post, you said that what is INTEGRAL, meaning that http://www.thefreedictionary.com/integral, now go and read that, so the one running in circles is you, because anyone can level through pvp lol, therefore making those world and and even class quest fall into Lore, that falls into fluff, they are not, they are the same as all companions side-quests, are those fluff too? should new companions side quest be sold in the CM ? please andryah read what you post, i never SAID that i space bar, youre the one twisting words here, my point here is to show that based on what you say, to progress to endgame, you do not need to take any world quests or any other side quests apart from the original planet, all you are doing is trying to defend this move to the point of calling Lore fluff.

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Aries_cz
06.18.2013 , 11:35 AM | #69
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Tell you what... when they add a new chapter for character story that is CM only, or even a planet mission chain, I'll stand next to you and help you fire the artillery. Until then....it's all just Chicken Little-Part_Deux.
Sadly, by then it will be to late. The overreaction the cubes provoked is to stop what you say (CM-only full fledged quests) from becoming reality
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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 11:36 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Sohaim View Post
again, read what you post, you said that what is INTEGRAL, meaning that http://www.thefreedictionary.com/integral, now go and read that, so the one running in circles is you, because anyone can level through pvp lol, therefore making those world and and even class quest fall into Lore, that falls into fluff, they are not, they are the same as all companions side-quests, are those fluff too? should new companions side quest be sold in the CM ? please andryah read what you post, i never SAID that i space bar, youre the one twisting words here, my point here is to show that based on what you say, to progress to endgame, you do not need to take any world quests or any other side quests apart from the original planet, all you are doing is trying to defend this move to the point of calling Lore fluff.
Read what I post, and stop lecturing me to read what I post. I know exactly what I posted. You on the other hand have devolved into circular diatribe. If you need me to clarify something I wrote, fine, just let me know specifically what confuses you. But don't sit there and declare in long run on sentences what I wrote when you are clearly at odds with my stated position on the topic. It's dishonest on your part.
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