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Mike_Bluesky
06.18.2013 , 10:21 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
It's faux story cutscenes. They have no playable context in the game itself and are not required. As such they are fluff. They are simply a different novelty item from the CM, and interesting to collectors IMO.

Now, you could argue that they are so worthless and that you'd rather have a gold plated butter knife for your smuggler or agent.... but that is arguing fluff over fluff.
Ahh, I missed you Andryah, where have you been whole last week? They are not fluff. They were not made by CM team, they add quest to your log, I can't wear them, show them to other players (I consider this fluff). And above all, they add lore to the game.

All of this is already discussed on the 20+ page thread about this issue.
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NovemberAllthing
06.18.2013 , 10:23 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
People get random items from packs all the time that they cannot use (or consider worthless). Why does this one deserve special consideration?

Sincere question.
Because I paid Cartel coins to unlock this quest Legacy wide for them to use...which I wouldn't have done with zero reward honestly.

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SweetsPatogga
06.18.2013 , 10:27 AM | #33
Another thing I thought about on this is that while the no credit boom is going to discourage level 55s from getting this, at least until we know what the 'prize' is for collecting all 8 (would it hurt to tell us what that might be?) these cubes won't make any sense to lower level players.

All this stuff about The Shroud and the Hutts and Makeb is going to have no context for them, but you are setting it up so that the rewards from the cubes are really only of benefit to lower level players. It makes no sense.

This fix needs a fix.

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Aries_cz
06.18.2013 , 10:29 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by zzoorrzz View Post
they shouldn't be part of CM to begin with.
^ THIS ^

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike_Bluesky View Post
Ahh, I missed you Andryah, where have you been whole last week? They are not fluff. They were not made by CM team, they add quest to you log, I can't wear them, show them to other players (I consider this fluff). And above all, they add lore to the game.

All of this is already discussed on the 20+ page thread about this issue.
And ^ THIS ^. While I agree with Andryah on many things, this I do not.
Cubes might seem "fluffy", but there is the undeniable fact that add some lore and quests (playable content), so people have the right to be concerned with what this might bring (CM only quests, flashpoints, and other sorts of playable content). I would like to see a yellow assurance that the cubes are as far as they will go, and possibly after they finish whatever they plan with them, do not repeat that.
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06.18.2013 , 10:29 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by NovemberAllthing View Post
Because I paid Cartel coins to unlock this quest Legacy wide for them to use...which I wouldn't have done with zero reward honestly.
Well, it wouldn't be the first or last time BW changes something that people already paid for with real money. But they can do it. Should they? Probably not (or give back CC).
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Darth_Wicked
06.18.2013 , 10:33 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceasaigh View Post
So in other words you didn't think it through that players with 12 Characters would take a item that can be traded via the collection and use it on all of their characters?

Players weren't being "crafty or using "exploitive behavior", they were simply using the system that you have in place.
^^ This.

I have 16 toons, all of them way above the level needed to get to Nar Shaddaa and since I would NEVER consider it to be an called an "exploit", I only did the datacubes thing on 5 of them. In other words, I just lost almost 2(!!!) million credits in-game, just because... I have too many alts and even had to unlock character slots to have so many.

Way to go, Bioware; You really make me feel good about the time and money I spend on your game.

EDIT:

Also, though I'm fairly sure someone may have mentioned it, you do need to do the Origin and Capital Worlds in order to get to Nar Shaddaa so how the hell this is considered an exploit is beyond me. Do people actually create and delete toons for just 200k? Seriously?

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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 10:34 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
It's faux story cutscenes. They have no playable context in the game itself and are not required. As such they are fluff. They are simply a different novelty item from the CM, and interesting to collectors IMO.

Now, you could argue that they are so worthless and that you'd rather have a gold plated butter knife for your smuggler or agent.... but that is arguing fluff over fluff.
omg andryah i was really expecting you would not touch this subject because no matter how many arguments you bring, those 4 cutscenes are not "Fluff", no matter how many beautiful words you try to use to cover you lack of argument, those cubes should not be on CM, it is Story, its a quest that requires you to go to a place, it gives insigh about the shroud and its very interesting, its fall under the category of side quest, just like all makeb, its not required, its also faux, we do not need it to advance our personal story, just like i avoided balmorra,hoth,correlian and voss on my shadow and went even makeb and went straight to lv 55, its Story and it SHOULD not be on the CM, no Planet quest is required to advance, you can always pvp or do something else, please stop using these same "faux" arguments that HyFy was bringing all the time.

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DragonBurp
06.18.2013 , 10:37 AM | #38
I was reading a lot of negativity about the cubes being "story content" and having to be paid for. I looked at it as similar to a special edition version of a movie. You can watch the movie just fine without it, or pay a little extra and get deleted/bonus scenes and such. The Credit Boom reward I thought was great, and I immediately purchased the cubes I didn't get in my hypercrate and unlocked it on my legacy (like many others did).

I agree that changing an item that was paid for with real money (for the unlocks) after it has already been released is not a good path to go down. Also, with said item taking the rare slot in cartel packs it appears to be an even larger issue with a lot of people (including myself). If some people had found a way to create a new character and move them off the starter planet before completing the story to get the Credit Boom (and thus farm money very fast), then I understand the reaction to wanting to remove the Credit Boom. However, it is very hard to put a genie back into a lamp once it is released. My suggestion (similar to one I already saw), is to restore the Credit Boom, but put a level requirement on the cube. Don't allow a character to use the cube and get the quest until they have reached the minimum level for Nar Shadda. That way, even if someone could get a toon to Nar Shadda, they would not be able to use the cube (and get the Credit Boom) until they had properly leveled their character.

200K credits (and more when the next set comes out) is not usually a huge amount to a level 55 toon, but it would be very useful for a lower level toon that is being leveled up. I would see that as a win/win situation. You get to keep the Credit Boom in to keep players happy, but they have to put in the effort to get it and thus keep playing.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this, Eric. I'm not asking for a confirm/denial that it will be looked or changed, but just if you feel something like this would be a fair balance between your concerns and the player's concerns.

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ShAdOwXkAgE
06.18.2013 , 10:45 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
People get random items from packs all the time that they cannot use (or consider worthless). Why does this one deserve special consideration?

Sincere question.
I think mainly because it used to have a more viable reward for 55s. And it can tend to sting when something that was useful, is no longer so.

IMO the BoP XP boosts was a bit overboard. But so long as the reward from collecting all 8 is nice (Like a cool looking unique adaptive armor set, or a unique and cool looking speeder) Then the cubes will still have plenty enough value. Even with their gimped rewards. And so long as the reward from getting all 8 requires completing all 8 on a character so that unlocking the cubes is still a viable option (Instead of completing the quests once and just unlocking the reward in collections. Which in essence would be cheaper and convenient, but would make those of us who unlocked the first four cubes feel a tab bit ripped off)

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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 10:45 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by NovemberAllthing View Post
Because I paid Cartel coins to unlock this quest Legacy wide for them to use...which I wouldn't have done with zero reward honestly.
So... you are only in it for the rewards then? I see.
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