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I'm starting to get really worried by the CM

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I'm starting to get really worried by the CM

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Khevar
06.20.2013 , 06:30 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Levity View Post
To the last part, sounds like a terrible professor to give a project like that since an ingame economy works NOTHING like real world economy :P
That doesn't mean it isn't interesting or worthy of looking into.

And there are parallels to a real-world economy even if it isn't exactly the same.

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Lewintelamon
06.21.2013 , 12:12 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Angedechu View Post
So, tell me, what I'm supposed to do with cartel points when I'm a subber.
We'd tell you, but we'd have to violate the forum rules to do so.
It's "elder game", guys. The day this game gets an actual "endgame" is when BW pulls the plug on the servers. MMORPGs don't have an "end".

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RTCBrad
06.21.2013 , 02:43 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
hehe.. and GW2 and Tera were going to crush SWTOR into dust. ooopsie.
LOL, Tera is big fat pile of steaming crap. Korean grind garbage.

GW2 has great gameplay and fantastic PVP, BUT it does lack end game pve interest imo.

Regardless, doesn't change how people said for so long swtor would never have a CS and now it has one which is in fact closer to P2win than the CS in GW2.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
That isn't irony.
So yes it is irony.

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Knockerz
06.21.2013 , 03:06 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by RTCBrad View Post
LOL, Tera is big fat pile of steaming crap. Korean grind garbage.

GW2 has great gameplay and fantastic PVP, BUT it does lack end game pve interest imo.

Regardless, doesn't change how people said for so long swtor would never have a CS and now it has one which is in fact closer to P2win than the CS in GW2.



So yes it is irony.
That's not P2win. I don't see BW selling gear with stats other than cosmetic related items and gear.
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Kilora
06.21.2013 , 06:18 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Levity View Post
To the last part, sounds like a terrible professor to give a project like that since an ingame economy works NOTHING like real world economy :P
You know that economics students don't solely study the real world economy, right?

Having an isolated economy, like the ones that exist in video games, is very valuable information -- especially to students.

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Kilora
06.21.2013 , 06:19 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by RTCBrad View Post
LOL, Tera is big fat pile of steaming crap. Korean grind garbage.

GW2 has great gameplay and fantastic PVP, BUT it does lack end game pve interest imo.

Regardless, doesn't change how people said for so long swtor would never have a CS and now it has one which is in fact closer to P2win than the CS in GW2.



So yes it is irony.

Sorry, you should look up the definition of irony.

Especially considering SWTOR =\= P2W.

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RTCBrad
06.21.2013 , 06:38 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
That's not P2win. I don't see BW selling gear with stats other than cosmetic related items and gear.
They don't very true but its no secret if you spend money in the CS and sell that crap on the GTN you then make millions of creds to buy; 31 hilts, barrels, armoring etc.

The only way you are doing this and the only reason prices are so high is because of the people spending more real money on cash shop stuff and packs etc selling them and getting tons richer than normal players who don't spend tons of cash in the cash shop.

While this is not directly P2Win with them selling gear they are essentially allowing people who spend more real money to have an advantage over those that don't, if you can't see that then you are blinded I'm afraid.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Sorry, you should look up the definition of irony.

Especially considering SWTOR =\= P2W.
:/ I think you should honestly, this is a pointless discussion I know I am 100 percent correct if you don't agree you are wrong, there is no two-ways about it.

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JPryde
06.21.2013 , 06:42 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by RTCBrad View Post
While this is not directly P2Win with them selling gear they are essentially allowing people who spend more real money to have an advantage over those that don't, if you can't see that then you are blinded I'm afraid.
Actually that would be pay for speed not pay to win.

You cannot even get a 0.01% advantage by the cartel shop over stuff that you can get with your regular subscription and total ignorance of the cartel shop. You can only get it faster.

The typical definiton of pay2win is to gain an advantage by paying real money, that you cannot gain by spending more time.

Quote: Originally Posted by RTCBrad View Post
:/ I think you should honestly, this is a pointless discussion I know I am 100 percent correct if you don't agree you are wrong, there is no two-ways about it.
Sorry, guy, but those are the discussion skills of a wookiee... "You either agree, of I rip your arm off." Unworthy.
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Tyrth
06.21.2013 , 06:54 AM | #69
RTCBrad does bring up a very interesting point. While I'm well aware that bioware really doesn't have much control over the market value of certain items on the gtn OR what people are willing to spend on them credit wise, they DO have control on whether or not to allow packs to be sold between players in the first place. Case and point, say I have a ton of coins saved up but my friend doesn't...we're both lvl 55, have 500k credits each, same class and both in...let's say identical plain old campaign gear...

Are you seriously going to act like having the ability to pay/purchase packs and resell all of them them for millions and millions of credits allowing me to buy all top end crafted gear on the gtn isn't essentially p2w? Meanwhile, my pal is stuck with his 500k credits and good old campaign gear. True I didn't buy that top end gear directly from the cartel market but what i DID buy from it allowed me millions upon millions of credits to essentially upgrade my gear in dramatic fashion by doing nothing more than putting my credit card down so to speak and clicking a few buttons on the gtn. In that scenario am i a better player? Do I know my class or the content better than my pal? Nope...but i sure was able to buy stuff on the market that allowed me to rock this sweet new gear...

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Kilora
06.21.2013 , 07:15 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyrth View Post
Are you seriously going to act like having the ability to pay/purchase packs and resell all of them them for millions and millions of credits allowing me to buy all top end crafted gear on the gtn isn't essentially p2w? Meanwhile, my pal is stuck with his 500k credits and good old campaign gear. True I didn't buy that top end gear directly from the cartel market but what i DID buy from it allowed me millions upon millions of credits to essentially upgrade my gear in dramatic fashion by doing nothing more than putting my credit card down so to speak and clicking a few buttons on the gtn. In that scenario am i a better player? Do I know my class or the content better than my pal? Nope...but i sure was able to buy stuff on the market that allowed me to rock this sweet new gear...
1.) You are saving time, absolutely. P2SaveTime would be the correct term.

2.) You CANNOT purchase top end gear with credits. You can purchase what is below top-end. Same as many games. Both EVE and GW2 allow you to actually purchase in-game credits with RL$.

3.) Your friend can do exactly the same thing, without spend a penny in RL$. He can farm content. You have two options here:
a - make credits by using RL$ and risk, eliminating time
b - make guaranteed credits by playing the game, eliminating RL$

At no point do you have the option to spend $ and become more powerful than others.
At no point can $ bring you to a point not achievable by someone who doesn't spend $.
At no point are you required to spend $ to progress, or be competitive.

Something the entire community would consider to be P2W:
$ for gear that is better quality than anything achievable in-game.

When a game gets to the point where you cannot progress, or compete, without shilling out $ for something that isn't gameplay, it becomes purely P2W.

If there is no possibility of an advantage (other than a time advantage) because you drop 10x as much money in the CM as someone else, I cannot see it as P2W.