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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?

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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?
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Mike_Bluesky
06.19.2013 , 09:28 AM | #301
Once again: lore = shouldn't be in the CM.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Lore is not playable content. It is fluff that you can admire and immerse yourself in for sure. Then again, so are the armor skins that are CM only.

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MandFlurry
06.19.2013 , 09:51 AM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
I like the Cartel Market, in general, but there is a distinct difference to me between vanity items and convience unlocks and putting honest to goodness quests and story on the CM. That's an awful precedent and one that I'm really really not happy about. To be quite frank, it's bullsh*t.
Couldn't have said it better, without useing foul language myself. It seems that EA/Bioware are are ripping every1 off includeing the F2p along with us Subs. Most stuff that has been comming out of the Cartel as of late should be obtainable by Subs. The Huttball armors should Never, Ever have been crapped in the Cartel packs, and has no reason to be in them, when it should be a PvP obtainable , and instead have been ripping off a lot of Players (Subs) that should get the armor sets without useing about $100.00 on X24 Packs. You can sell these items, when they should be free to Subs and even f2p ppl that would be willing to to dish out money enough for grinding for those Huttball armor sets. These kind of ppl Do in My Opinion, and not just mine, that these Huttball armor sets have no business being in the X24 Packs, but should be only in the PvP line of armor, as we Pvp'ers have no real variety of different armor sets at all.

It is this Big example along with a lot of other things/ items that should've been obtainable in-game, but instead Corporate greed has now pretty much haveing everything that's Cool stuff that ppl should be able to get in game in FPs, Ops and Warzones instead. But money seems to be the only thing EA/Bioware cares about now.
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Krewel
06.19.2013 , 11:03 AM | #303
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Planetary quests in many cases do carry threaded storyline in them. Some do not I agree... and those in fact are simply delivering a message in context to a mission that is material to a player as it provides progression to the next in the chain of planetary quests.. all of which help provide a notable amount of character progression (leveling) in preparation to the next planet in the leveling of a character.

By contrast...and please... rather then jerk you knees up into your sinus, please try to follow along... datacubes are a clever gimmick item that uses the same mechanics and procedures of any mission in the game (ie: they are using predesigned methods and putting a cute and novel wrapper on them). The difference is that they have no real value in the context of playing the actual game (unless you live and die for every little fragment of lore and collect it, which some do). They do not unlock a chain of missions that provide material value in progressing a character in the game. I observe them for what they are: trivial sound bytes to bait some forum members into righteous indignation.

Now... do I think this particular gimmick is a rip off? Absolutely! It's trivial and pointless IMO. On a scale of cheeze-worthiness..it's right there with the Jawagrams IMO. A rare cartel pack slot wasted. So if you are on that position, I am in 100% violent agreement. But on the issue that this gimmick corrupts the very nature of story in this game...nope...I know the difference between a cheezy gimmick and substance. But this is off-topic and deserves it's own thread and carries real merit IMO.
Except these datacores are not over and done with and will continue in the next instalment of CM packs, so, technically, they are kind of a quest chain. Who knows what secrets The Shroud will reveal? Are they important? Find out ... for CC.

"Ad hominem" is one of those words you constantly hear on the internet, especially when people find no better counter-argument than reveal the obvious - you're attacking the person, not the argument. In the realm of philosophy it's one of the illogical fallacies, on the internet it's simply a buzzword like "self-entitlement", one of those magic words trying to solve all the problems of the world. It's one of those concepts that degenerated into a life of its own on the internet.
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Sohaim
06.19.2013 , 11:06 AM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
Except these datacores are not over and done with and will continue in the next instalment of CM packs, so, technically, they are kind of a quest chain. Who knows what secrets The Shroud will reveal? Are they important? Find out ... for CC.

"Ad hominem" is one of those words you constantly hear on the internet, especially when people find no better counter-argument than reveal the obvious - you're attacking the person, not the argument. In the realm of philosophy it's one of the illogical fallacies, on the internet it's simply a buzzword like "self-entitlement", one of those magic words trying to solve all the problems of the world. It's one of those concepts that degenerated into a life of its own on the internet.
everyone knows andryah does that, he/she keeps with this agressive way, using subtle words, but he/she the entire time kept calling us Chicken little, when he/she was the one replying to every one posting going from the other thread to this one to keep this up, now whos overreacting?

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Andryah
06.19.2013 , 11:08 AM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
Except these datacores are not over and done with and will continue in the next instalment of CM packs, so, technically, they are kind of a quest chain.
A disintegral fragment that is a gimmick in the CM can continue forever as far as I am concerned. Isn't that the entire premise of the CM after all? To give players non functional content to immerse themselves as they desire? Though I think now that people cannot exploit them, they will tire of them and they will eventually retire the concept.

Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
Who knows what secrets The Shroud will reveal? Are they important? Find out ... for CC.
This is doomsayer nonsense, and I think even you know it. You are just trying to be provocative with it IMO.
The MMO player would do well to embrace the nature of reality: Everything is relative, a projection based upon a malleable set of universal laws. Reality is an elastic process in which our individual choices play an active role.

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Krewel
06.19.2013 , 11:10 AM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Fuff: things that do not matter or provide pathway to progress your character. One persons fluff is another persons mana of course so "fluff" stand alone is a circular discussion. Fluff in context however has meaning, particularly in this discussion.

Many things in this game are fluff. Planetary side quests ARE NOT fluff. They may have fluffy elements.. but they provide valuable and needed pathways to level characters. They are components in a chain of missions in fact.

Datacubes..they are the antithesis of planetary and storyline missions as they offer nothing to progress your character, unlock new mission chains, etc. etc. They are fluff for the Fluff Market.
I can think of several planetary and daily quests which offer nothing to progress your character, they are simply there to offer either the background of the planet or the background of the universe the character is put in. Regardless of your class, they start and end on the same note. Datacores fall into this category of "background information". Furthermore, as was stated, we did not get all of the datacores for now, this "fluffy" story will continue, and for mere fluff it sure is quite grandiose. For some this is fluff, for others it is not, but do not presume it is fluff on an objective level.
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Andryah
06.19.2013 , 11:17 AM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
I can think of several planetary and daily quests which offer nothing to progress your character, they are simply there to offer either the background of the planet or the background of the universe the character is put in.
They offer an XP reward (simply for showing up) AND more importantly.... they trigger the next sequence of missions for you on the planet.. all of which provide a variety of progressions (lore unlocks, xp, items to equip, credits, etc, etc). So they ARE integral to the planetary mission chains, which ARE integral to character progression. [these datacubes we are discussing do not]

Now..if you are saying they are "lore-trivial"...on that we agree. But they ARE material to continuing mission based character progression.....that cannot be denied with any objectivity.
The MMO player would do well to embrace the nature of reality: Everything is relative, a projection based upon a malleable set of universal laws. Reality is an elastic process in which our individual choices play an active role.

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Sohaim
06.19.2013 , 11:22 AM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
They offer an XP reward (simply for showing up) AND more importantly.... they trigger the next sequence of missions for you on the planet.. all of which provide a variety of progressions (lore unlocks, xp, items to equip, credits, etc, etc). So they ARE integral to the planetary mission chains, which ARE integral to character progression. [these datacubes we are discussing do not]

Now..if you are saying they are "lore-trivial"...on that we agree. But they ARE material to continuing mission based character progression.....that cannot be denied with any objectivity.
no wrong, Side quests on planets are triggered based on your Level, the only one that is like is the actual Chain of quest that tell the main story of said planet and even so, you can do many bonus series that continue said story before finishing it, do you even play the game lol?

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Dokar
06.19.2013 , 11:24 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
They offer an XP reward (simply for showing up) AND more importantly.... they trigger the next sequence of missions for you on the planet.. all of which provide a variety of progressions (lore unlocks, xp, items to equip, credits, etc, etc). So they ARE integral to the planetary mission chains, which ARE integral to character progression. [these datacubes we are discussing do not]

Now..if you are saying they are "lore-trivial"...on that we agree. But they ARE material to continuing mission based character progression.....that cannot be denied with any objectivity.
There are many one off quests. Republic Roulette on Ord mantel, Meltdown on Coruscant., The Thousand Steps on Tython are 3 just from the top of my head.

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Sohaim
06.19.2013 , 11:28 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
They offer an XP reward (simply for showing up) AND more importantly.... they trigger the next sequence of missions for you on the planet.. all of which provide a variety of progressions (lore unlocks, xp, items to equip, credits, etc, etc). So they ARE integral to the planetary mission chains, which ARE integral to character progression. [these datacubes we are discussing do not]

Now..if you are saying they are "lore-trivial"...on that we agree. But they ARE material to continuing mission based character progression.....that cannot be denied with any objectivity.
your new argument to fix your broken parameters is "Mission based character Progression"? let me break it for you, everyone considers companions an integral part of the story, and so are their quests, but most of the time we are a lot of levels ahead before we do all the talking with them therefore missing the xp, because its not easy to get affection while simple doing quests, so here it goes, Companions quest are on the same level of content of the Shroud datalog, yet they fall withing your parameters, so should the companions quest be also sold on the CM now?