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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?

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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?
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iamthehoyden
06.12.2013 , 05:48 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Well, supposedly Makeb was originally going to be a free content update.

Honestly, I felt like Makeb was just proof that we will have to pay for any new story content. Maybe I'm wrong, that's just what it seems like. The last free story content update that we got was the HK-51 quest.

I'm not fussed about the cubes because from what it sounds like, I'll probably be able to pic these up in my guild bank after all my pack addict guildies get a ton of spares or cheap off the gtn, and if not that, just watch the scenes on youtube. If there was actual conversations with my character in them, I'd be more upset. Obviously they want to keep putting new and fun things in the packs and not just same old same old, oh hey, another toy that gives me health back when I use it or a ball I can throw at people.

And I'm saying that as someone who fundamentally doesn't like the packs and doesn't really buy them. I know they're popular, though, and bring a lot of money into the game.

Do I want to see stuff that was designed to be in other parts of the game go into packs? Absolutely not. If that WERE the case, then I have a problem with it, but if they conceived the idea from the start this way, then all I can say is, like someone else said, don't push it.
This is directly tied into a questline in the game, gives more information about it. I know not everyone will be upset about this, but I certainly am not happy about it. As far as I'm concerned, this puts a direct 'lie' stamp on yet more of what they said CM would be. I don't like liars. I really don't. If it's a misunderstanding on their part, they'd better clear it up fast.
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Glower
06.12.2013 , 06:03 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike_Bluesky View Post
I don't care if they are relevant or not - there was work put into this cutscenes and I really doubt that it was CM team work. We need to be really vocal about this - I feel like this is another test how far they can go with CM.

So I'm telling you right now BW - you've already gone way too far. Don't push it.
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Caelrie
06.12.2013 , 06:16 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by invertedknife View Post
eric has repeatedly mentioned REPEATEDLY that all cartel items will be aesthetic only. now people who are interested in the story are forced to purchase the cartel packs hoping to get a cube.

once again they have done something that flies directly against what they have said in the past.
These cubes ARE aesthetic only. They're not required for advancement, nor do they offer any benefit to your character.

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Jafnahar
06.12.2013 , 06:18 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
This is directly tied into a questline in the game, gives more information about it. I know not everyone will be upset about this, but I certainly am not happy about it. As far as I'm concerned, this puts a direct 'lie' stamp on yet more of what they said CM would be. I don't like liars. I really don't. If it's a misunderstanding on their part, they'd better clear it up fast.
I don't particularly like it either. Mostly because it's useless fluff in my opinion. But the argument you're making about Bioware promising all story content for free is inaccurate.

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The first core rule is that we want to be sure that players can reach level 50 without paying a cent, if so desired. The final design meets this requirement: Free-to-Play players can play levels 1 through 50 and enjoy the vast majority of the classic storyline and side quests during their journey. A member of our Marketing team once observed that Star Wars: The Old Republic is roughly 24 times the size of the original Star Wars™: Knights of the Old Republic™ game. Well, now BioWare is letting players have all that story content for free!
That's the quote from one of the original dev blogs regarding the F2P transition. They never promised that every story-related update going forward would be free. If they had, they couldn't even charge for expansion. They said existing, classic story content from 1.0 would be free, and they even hedged that by saying "the vast majority."

There are plenty of arguments for why this isn't a good addition to cartel packs, but "bioware said all story content ever made would be free" isn't one of them.

And as far as the argument about the CM featuring only aesthetic items? They also said 'mostly,' and it has a good deal of things already that fall outside that definition. Valor boosts especially. I personally think a 'quest' that gives a short cutscene you can find on Youtube and a handful of rewards that have been coming out of packs for months now already is very, very much 'cosmetic.' You don't have to like it, but labeling them liars over it is just a case of imposing your own definitions over their own.

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JimG
06.12.2013 , 06:19 PM | #25
Oh damn, I was wondering what cool stuff we'd get from these cubes and it's just a cutscene? Yawn. Don't sweat it. People will probably be giving these things away after the timer wears off.

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Glower
06.12.2013 , 06:42 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Caelrie View Post
These cubes ARE aesthetic only. They're not required for advancement, nor do they offer any benefit to your character.
70-80% of this game is aesthetic only. Just sayin.
SWTOR goes F2P: http://i.imgur.com/1962X.jpg
A: "They’d love to do that at some point, but technically very challenging and unlikely to happen in the near future." (c)
PvP FAQ, A: "We have no plans at this time" (c)

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iamthehoyden
06.12.2013 , 06:59 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Jafnahar View Post
I don't particularly like it either. Mostly because it's useless fluff in my opinion. But the argument you're making about Bioware promising all story content for free is inaccurate.
That's the quote from one of the original dev blogs regarding the F2P transition. They never promised that every story-related update going forward would be free. If they had, they couldn't even charge for expansion. They said existing, classic story content from 1.0 would be free, and they even hedged that by saying "the vast majority."
There are plenty of arguments for why this isn't a good addition to cartel packs, but "bioware said all story content ever made would be free" isn't one of them.
And as far as the argument about the CM featuring only aesthetic items? They also said 'mostly,' and it has a good deal of things already that fall outside that definition. Valor boosts especially. I personally think a 'quest' that gives a short cutscene you can find on Youtube and a handful of rewards that have been coming out of packs for months now already is very, very much 'cosmetic.' You don't have to like it, but labeling them liars over it is just a case of imposing your own definitions over their own.
I see what you're saying, but they've repeatedly said CM was for vanity and convience items. This crosses a line for me. A big one. You don't have to agree, but that's where I stand on it. And to me, the fact that they're now adding story items to the CM shows them to be misleading and false in what they've said. Perhaps they'll explain this and clear things up, maybe they won't, but things like this definitely inform my opinion of their trustworthiness.
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Caelrie
06.12.2013 , 07:19 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
I see what you're saying, but they've repeatedly said CM was for vanity and convience items. This crosses a line for me. A big one. You don't have to agree, but that's where I stand on it. And to me, the fact that they're now adding story items to the CM shows them to be misleading and false in what they've said. Perhaps they'll explain this and clear things up, maybe they won't, but things like this definitely inform my opinion of their trustworthiness.
You're misrepresenting what they said. What they actually said is that CM items wouldn't be pay to win, meaning they wouldn't make your character more powerful.

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chuixupu
06.12.2013 , 07:21 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Caelrie View Post
You're misrepresenting what they said. What they actually said is that CM items wouldn't be pay to win, meaning they wouldn't make your character more powerful.
This is true, you can go back and read the various developer contents on the subject and they all say specifically that they want to avoid the CM being "pay to win" and nothing ever saying they would never put story content on it. You can still be angry about this decision for many reasons, but they aren't going back on anything they said. The ship parts and color crystals are more of a stretch than this.
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HoboWithAStick
06.12.2013 , 07:26 PM | #30
YAY another thing in the game that subs have to pay money to take part in. Good job BW