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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?

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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?
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chuixupu
06.12.2013 , 05:09 PM | #11
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eric has repeatedly mentioned REPEATEDLY that all cartel items will be aesthetic only.
That is aesthetic. It's not something that allows you to gain an advantage in PVP or Operations.

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now people who are interested in the story are forced to purchase the cartel packs hoping to get a cube.
Or they can just watch the 4 videos on youtube if they're curious.

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I like the Cartel Market, in general, but there is a distinct difference to me between vanity items and convience unlocks and putting honest to goodness quests and story on the CM. That's an awful precedent and one that I'm really really not happy about. To be quite frank, it's bullsh*t.
I get the slippery slop argument, but I don't really consider a cut scene with an NPC talking an honest to goodness quest.
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invertedknife
06.12.2013 , 05:11 PM | #12
what about the people paying for packs hoping for rare items and getting multiple data cubes. there is at least one thread on the forums about someone saying that they are getting a crap tonne of data cubes for opening crates.
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06.12.2013 , 05:13 PM | #13
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what about the people paying for packs hoping for rare items and getting multiple data cubes. there is at least one thread on the forums about someone saying that they are getting a crap tonne of data cubes for opening crates.
So they're common, even more reason to expect they'll just hit the GTN cheap. There's always been a chance to get crap in the packs, but at least it's somewhat fun and not completely useless crap.
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iamthehoyden
06.12.2013 , 05:15 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
That is aesthetic. It's not something that allows you to gain an advantage in PVP or Operations.

Or they can just watch the 4 videos on youtube if they're curious.

I get the slippery slop argument, but I don't really consider a cut scene with an NPC talking an honest to goodness quest.
It's not pay to win, it's story content. If it gives you information about the story that you didn't have before then it is story content and THAT is my issue. Story content is supposed to be free to subscribers. To have a quest, even a minor one like this, gated through the CM is bull. It's not a slippery slope, it's crossing a line.
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chuixupu
06.12.2013 , 05:16 PM | #15
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It's not pay to play, it's story content. If it gives you information about the story that you didn't have before then it is story content and THAT is my issue. Story content is supposed to be free to subscribers. To have a quest, even a minor one like this, gated through the CM is bull. It's not a slippery slope, it's crossing a line.
You paid for Makeb, didn't you?
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iamthehoyden
06.12.2013 , 05:18 PM | #16
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You paid for Makeb, didn't you?
Story content (expansions aside) are supposed to be free to subscribers. Unless they've changed that too. God only effing knows with these people anymore.
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invertedknife
06.12.2013 , 05:22 PM | #17
there are multiple problems with this you see:

1. story items in Cartel Packs. (yes they will be on youtube, yes they will be GTN but the FACT is that is story content NOT available to subscribers without paying for it)
2. ONE TIME USE use data cubes instead of rare items in cartel packs. a rare items slot is taken up by the data cube.
(you can only use one of them, after that the other in your inventory become unusable)
3. against what was told us where cartel items will only contain vanity items

eric i ask you to come and reply to this: here is what you said in the past
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Since this blog I feel we have been more consistent in our messaging that you can expect things like cosmetic and convenience features (like Appearance Designer) are the types of things we usually place on the Cartel Market.
In this post: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...54#edit6315554
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Mike_Bluesky
06.12.2013 , 05:25 PM | #18
I don't care if they are relevant or not - there was work put into this cutscenes and I really doubt that it was CM team work. We need to be really vocal about this - I feel like this is another test how far they can go with CM.

So I'm telling you right now BW - you've already gone way too far. Don't push it.
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chuixupu
06.12.2013 , 05:34 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
Story content (expansions aside) are supposed to be free to subscribers. Unless they've changed that too. God only effing knows with these people anymore.
Well, supposedly Makeb was originally going to be a free content update.

Honestly, I felt like Makeb was just proof that we will have to pay for any new story content. Maybe I'm wrong, that's just what it seems like. The last free story content update that we got was the HK-51 quest.

I'm not fussed about the cubes because from what it sounds like, I'll probably be able to pic these up in my guild bank after all my pack addict guildies get a ton of spares or cheap off the gtn, and if not that, just watch the scenes on youtube. If there was actual conversations with my character in them, I'd be more upset. Obviously they want to keep putting new and fun things in the packs and not just same old same old, oh hey, another toy that gives me health back when I use it or a ball I can throw at people.

And I'm saying that as someone who fundamentally doesn't like the packs and doesn't really buy them. I know they're popular, though, and bring a lot of money into the game.

Do I want to see stuff that was designed to be in other parts of the game go into packs? Absolutely not. If that WERE the case, then I have a problem with it, but if they conceived the idea from the start this way, then all I can say is, like someone else said, don't push it.
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CrazyMcGee
06.12.2013 , 05:44 PM | #20
I don't see what the big deal is. IMHO these are aesthetic. They don't improve your gear or stats, they don't advance your story, they don't do anything. They are just a nice little toy basically. You can play with a ball toss or you can watch a video.

You can buy them from Cartel, you can buy them from GTN or you can ignore them. You won't lose anything by not having them. You're subscription pays for access to the game, this isn't that.

And try and remember EA is a business. If they can make money, obviously they will. I don't really see what's wrong with that, it's just capitalism. They aren't here to make our lives better. Your subscription pays for all the current content and hasn't increased since launch. They are really supposed to keep giving us loads of new stuff all the time with no charge?