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Thoughts on Set Bonus Drops in Operations


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TrillOG-
06.06.2013 , 04:56 PM | #21
NO. Just absolutely NOT. It is exactly how it should be. If you could buy set bonus gear you would have an even harder time finding people to run the ops with. Also, if it takes you 3 weeks to get 1 piece of Arkanian, you are doing something terribly wrong, If you only have 1 alt to run the raids with, well that sucks but we all were there at one point, and didn't cry out for easier ways to get the gear. You want the set bonus? Buy some campaign gear, you put the set bonus gear up for sale, and you are taking away a HUGE part of the satisfaction of getting that piece of gear that you really want, and will raid over and over to get that set bonus. The only people who think there needs to be easier ways to get the set bonus gear are people incapable of raiding, or clearing, end of story. Our guild is greed rolling on UW mainhands, and half the rest of the gear from s&v and tfb. Obviously it is not "too hard" to get gear. Find a guild, it will make gearing a thousand times easier, and your time in-game a lot more fun.
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Khevar
06.06.2013 , 05:31 PM | #22
Since grade 26 (Campaign) pieces have set bonus, and can be obtained with comms, use those for the set bonus until you can replace it with Arkanian / Underworld.

You can also run HM EC (which let's be honest, is pretty darn easy now) for the grade 27 (Dread Guard) set bonus pieces.

With 4 pieces of Campaign Armoring for the set bonus, you are only losing out 52 points of main stat (over Black Market) . With 4 pieces of Dread Guard, you are only losing out 36 points of main stat (over Black Market). That's about ONE augment worth of stats.

As a tank, I wouldn't go below Dread Guard as you'd lose too much armor rating. But for a dps or healer? You'd be fine.

This will hold you over until you get enough Arkanian / Underworld pieces to make up the difference.

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wainot-keel
06.06.2013 , 05:38 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by TrillOG- View Post
. The only people who think there needs to be easier ways to get the set bonus gear are people incapable of raiding, or clearing, end of story. Our guild is greed rolling on UW mainhands, and half the rest of the gear from s&v and tfb. Obviously it is not "too hard" to get gear. Find a guild, it will make gearing a thousand times easier, and your time in-game a lot more fun.
I clear regularly TfB and S&V hm with my guild, so you're absolutely wrong. Make up another story as to why you are opposed to this.

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Lowyjowylof
06.06.2013 , 06:57 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by TrillOG- View Post
NO. Just absolutely NOT. It is exactly how it should be. If you could buy set bonus gear you would have an even harder time finding people to run the ops with. Also, if it takes you 3 weeks to get 1 piece of Arkanian, you are doing something terribly wrong, If you only have 1 alt to run the raids with, well that sucks but we all were there at one point, and didn't cry out for easier ways to get the gear. You want the set bonus? Buy some campaign gear, you put the set bonus gear up for sale, and you are taking away a HUGE part of the satisfaction of getting that piece of gear that you really want, and will raid over and over to get that set bonus. The only people who think there needs to be easier ways to get the set bonus gear are people incapable of raiding, or clearing, end of story. Our guild is greed rolling on UW mainhands, and half the rest of the gear from s&v and tfb. Obviously it is not "too hard" to get gear. Find a guild, it will make gearing a thousand times easier, and your time in-game a lot more fun.
Nice Try...2.0 has been out for 8 WEEKS. That means if you went with a progression group of 8 dedicated people, they would just now be getting getting the last person their complete suit. If you got alts and have no life and are able to raid 24/7...good for you. A Lot of us have jobs and a life and don't want to be raid focused in our remaining free time.
Battle is an orgy of disorder.
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Lowyjowylof
06.06.2013 , 07:02 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Since grade 26 (Campaign) pieces have set bonus, and can be obtained with comms, use those for the set bonus until you can replace it with Arkanian / Underworld.

You can also run HM EC (which let's be honest, is pretty darn easy now) for the grade 27 (Dread Guard) set bonus pieces.

With 4 pieces of Campaign Armoring for the set bonus, you are only losing out 52 points of main stat (over Black Market) . With 4 pieces of Dread Guard, you are only losing out 36 points of main stat (over Black Market). That's about ONE augment worth of stats.

As a tank, I wouldn't go below Dread Guard as you'd lose too much armor rating. But for a dps or healer? You'd be fine.

This will hold you over until you get enough Arkanian / Underworld pieces to make up the difference.
I have the 4 piece Dreadguard and this is what I am doing. I already have the Verpine Offand and chest as well.
Battle is an orgy of disorder.
George S. Patton

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TrillOG-
06.07.2013 , 01:06 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by wainot-keel View Post
I clear regularly TfB and S&V hm with my guild, so you're absolutely wrong. Make up another story as to why you are opposed to this.
I wouldn't do something as lame as making up something so stupid on a video game forum. If you truly do clear it once a week you should be agreeing with me. S&V has a LOT of loot drops. TFB is trivial and quick, and again has a lot of loot drops. Refer to my bottom response.
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
Nice Try...2.0 has been out for 8 WEEKS. That means if you went with a progression group of 8 dedicated people, they would just now be getting getting the last person their complete suit. If you got alts and have no life and are able to raid 24/7...good for you. A Lot of us have jobs and a life and don't want to be raid focused in our remaining free time.
8 weeks is a lot of time to get gear. I didn't ever say we were greed rolling on every single piece did I? I said certain pieces. As far as the mh goes last week we all had it in 1 of our runs, and yesterday 1 person just got it because they were the only one with a 69. We run S&V and TFB 1-2 times a week with our mains, and alts on 2-3 nights, this is plenty of time to get people geared, and its not the same people every time. We do this late at night after everyone is home from work, school, and has spent time with their families and have down time. If this constitutes to having no life then ok I guess we have no lives. I'm not trying to boast I'm simply saying the gearing process is exactly how it should be. What would the replay value be if you could get the best gear simply by running repeat flashpoints? You realize that you can only get the BiS enhancements through unassembled gear right? With the exception of some mods, and hilts. If the gearing process was faster than it is now EVEN MORE people would be complaining about lack of content. See things all the way through before suggesting them. /essay
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Kawabonga
06.07.2013 , 05:34 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by TrillOG- View Post
I wouldn't do something as lame as making up something so stupid on a video game forum. If you truly do clear it once a week you should be agreeing with me. S&V has a LOT of loot drops. TFB is trivial and quick, and again has a lot of loot drops. Refer to my bottom response.

8 weeks is a lot of time to get gear. I didn't ever say we were greed rolling on every single piece did I? I said certain pieces. As far as the mh goes last week we all had it in 1 of our runs, and yesterday 1 person just got it because they were the only one with a 69. We run S&V and TFB 1-2 times a week with our mains, and alts on 2-3 nights, this is plenty of time to get people geared, and its not the same people every time. We do this late at night after everyone is home from work, school, and has spent time with their families and have down time. If this constitutes to having no life then ok I guess we have no lives. I'm not trying to boast I'm simply saying the gearing process is exactly how it should be. What would the replay value be if you could get the best gear simply by running repeat flashpoints? You realize that you can only get the BiS enhancements through unassembled gear right? With the exception of some mods, and hilts. If the gearing process was faster than it is now EVEN MORE people would be complaining about lack of content. See things all the way through before suggesting them. /essay
Actually, i run ops every week with an avarage of 3 toons, and i still don't have a full set bonus for my main. RNG is a nightmare. I agree that set bonus armorings shouldn't be sold from a vendor, but there should be some other way to obtain then other than praying to the RNG gods. A quest that rewards an AC specific armoring would be great. Something like "Kill dread master styrak 3 times in SM". In 8 weeks i would have a 4 piece set bonus, considering that i only have 1 piece atm. That sounds reasonable enough, considering 2.2 is incoming along with a whole new gear grind

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Lowyjowylof
06.07.2013 , 07:50 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by TrillOG- View Post
If you truly do clear it once a week you should be agreeing with me. S&V has a LOT of loot drops. TFB is trivial and quick, and again has a lot of loot drops.

What would the replay value be if you could get the best gear simply by running repeat flashpoints? You realize that you can only get the BiS enhancements through unassembled gear right? With the exception of some mods, and hilts. If the gearing process was faster than it is now EVEN MORE people would be complaining about lack of content. See things all the way through before suggesting them. /essay
5/12 Bosses drop Set Bonus Stuff, 7 if you include MH/OH. Add 1 more if you include TC. So...6/13 for Set bonus=46%...Less than half. We have 1 guildie with the 4 piece bonus and that's because he runs with 3 other Alts and had to trade pieces to get the set bonus. It is about 1.5-2 hours to complete an op on a smooth run, 10-15 minutes for TC. So, you spend roughly 20 hours a week in Ops if running 3 alts and a main. 4 toons in 8 weeks equates to 32 runs and 1 set bonus. Sounds like great odds to me

Also, if that is not repeating Ops because there is a lack of content, I don't know what is. That's the problem because you currently have 3 venues to get set bonus stuff in which less than 50% of the Boss fights drop the gear combined with it being weekly. This game has plenty of content, but it forces over fixation on certain limited aspects.

Besides, I don't think they intended to have people running Ops on multiple toons to get 1 geared was intended, it's just a flaw in the system because of legacy gear. How many people would be B***hing if there wasn't legacy gear? A lot and probably that would include you too.
Battle is an orgy of disorder.
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Riplin
06.07.2013 , 07:56 AM | #29
If you are doing the ops in a full guild run, consider allocating the arkanian/uw set pieces to those in key positions needing the 4 pieces bonus. The 4 piece bonus for some is pretty lack luster. While for some classes(ie. sentinel/guardian) the 4 piece bonus is a pretty good boost in dps, tank durability.

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TrillOG-
06.07.2013 , 10:46 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
5/12 Bosses drop Set Bonus Stuff, 7 if you include MH/OH. Add 1 more if you include TC. So...6/13 for Set bonus=46%...Less than half. We have 1 guildie with the 4 piece bonus and that's because he runs with 3 other Alts and had to trade pieces to get the set bonus. It is about 1.5-2 hours to complete an op on a smooth run, 10-15 minutes for TC. So, you spend roughly 20 hours a week in Ops if running 3 alts and a main. 4 toons in 8 weeks equates to 32 runs and 1 set bonus. Sounds like great odds to me

Also, if that is not repeating Ops because there is a lack of content, I don't know what is. That's the problem because you currently have 3 venues to get set bonus stuff in which less than 50% of the Boss fights drop the gear combined with it being weekly. This game has plenty of content, but it forces over fixation on certain limited aspects.

Besides, I don't think they intended to have people running Ops on multiple toons to get 1 geared was intended, it's just a flaw in the system because of legacy gear. How many people would be B***hing if there wasn't legacy gear? A lot and probably that would include you too.
5/12 drop set bonus gear, 12/12 drop unassembled gear. This is BiS gear ALONE. Throw the ability to run story modes on top of that.. there you go. You shouldn't be guaranteed set bonus gear, and this goes back to the "if you want the best gear, raid for it" argument. I'm not gonna keep pushing my views, but you should consider how ridiculously easy it would be to get geared completely with being able to buy set bonus armorings.