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Thoughts on Set Bonus Drops in Operations


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Lowyjowylof
06.05.2013 , 09:17 AM | #1
It needs to be adjusted, plain and simple. Here is why, in a standard 8 man Ops Group in SnV for example, you'll get 4 Arkanian Drops unless a Relic Drops at Thrasher. On those 4 drops you have between 12.5% and 25% chance to get a piece if you complete the instance which only can be done weekly.

For those of us that have been running FPs all along, the BM pieces from the other bosses have little value, we're looking for the set bonuses and ultimate Comms not more BM pieces.

I have no problem with only having Arkanian after the weekly credit boss or the weekly lock out, but there needs to be another way for those that have been diligently running Ops for gear to have a shot at the set bonuses other than the absurd RNG.

I recommend another quest where you get an Arkanian piece for 2 or 3 full clears of the Op. The quest would be simple each boss listed x2 and as they are killed it gets checked off like the speeder quests. Once complete you turn in and select an Unassembled Arkanian piece for reward. You could also have one for HM and NiM. This would also generate more interest in completing ops rather than just doing a "Comms Run".
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Ocho-Quatro
06.05.2013 , 09:55 AM | #2
Gearing is a grind, and it's that way on purpose.

I currently have my Vanguard tank in BiS 69s, with a few pieces of Verpine that I bought with coms. Since I started raiding TfB/S&V with her post-2.0..... I have gotten exactly 3 arkanian drops. Mainhand, Offhand and Legs. Most runs, I walk away with no Arkanian though.

You just have to make a sacrifice to the RNG Gods before every raid, and hope for the best.

I think, with all of the Elite/Ultimate coms that are handed out for doing sub-tier content, players are given PLENTY of opportunity to get "consolation" prize gear, by stacking coms and buying BM and Verpine gear. Sure, you can't get your set bonus without Arkanian/Underworld.... but, the grind is a grind for a reason.

Besides... right now on my tank, I am actually using Dread Guard armorings to get my 4-set bonus, with the Arkanian leg armoring I have, sitting in my bank. I will wait until I get all 4 of them, and put them in at once, so I don't lose my set bonus.

The point is.... this is how MMO's work. If you don't like the gear grind, and the random nature of gear rolls, then you are playing the wrong type of game. Another idea? Do guild-only Ops runs. If you run guild teams, same team makeup (or close to it) each week, whenever someone wins a piece of gear, you know that is one less person you have to roll against the next time that piece drops. If you are PuG'ing? It's all luck of the roll.
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Lowyjowylof
06.05.2013 , 10:32 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocho-Quatro View Post
Gearing is a grind, and it's that way on purpose.

I currently have my Vanguard tank in BiS 69s, with a few pieces of Verpine that I bought with coms. Since I started raiding TfB/S&V with her post-2.0..... I have gotten exactly 3 arkanian drops. Mainhand, Offhand and Legs. Most runs, I walk away with no Arkanian though.

You just have to make a sacrifice to the RNG Gods before every raid, and hope for the best.

I think, with all of the Elite/Ultimate coms that are handed out for doing sub-tier content, players are given PLENTY of opportunity to get "consolation" prize gear, by stacking coms and buying BM and Verpine gear. Sure, you can't get your set bonus without Arkanian/Underworld.... but, the grind is a grind for a reason.

Besides... right now on my tank, I am actually using Dread Guard armorings to get my 4-set bonus, with the Arkanian leg armoring I have, sitting in my bank. I will wait until I get all 4 of them, and put them in at once, so I don't lose my set bonus.

The point is.... this is how MMO's work. If you don't like the gear grind, and the random nature of gear rolls, then you are playing the wrong type of game. Another idea? Do guild-only Ops runs. If you run guild teams, same team makeup (or close to it) each week, whenever someone wins a piece of gear, you know that is one less person you have to roll against the next time that piece drops. If you are PuG'ing? It's all luck of the roll.
We predominantly do guild runs. The only time there might be a couple pugs is if we do 16m Ops. That being said, we don't have set groups because we have a fairly deep pool of people that are able to Raid. I don't mind putting the time in but when you invest several evenings into Ops and only walk away with a repair bill and a few Comms, the grind is no longer fun.

Not all MMOs worked this way, in SWG, you got a commendation for finishing the Op. There were rare loots that also dropped from it, but the commendation was what was needed to get the jewelry that provided the set bonus. A complete set IIRC would cost 30 total commendations from the 5 Operations. Just because you didn't get a drop didn't mean you didn't progress. But this is a flaw with linear games, it's set up so people can half- a** an Op and get "credit" for it, get comms and call it good enough.
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wainot-keel
06.05.2013 , 12:08 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
I recommend another quest where you get an Arkanian piece for 2 or 3 full clears of the Op. The quest would be simple each boss listed x2 and as they are killed it gets checked off like the speeder quests. Once complete you turn in and select an Unassembled Arkanian piece for reward. You could also have one for HM and NiM. This would also generate more interest in completing ops rather than just doing a "Comms Run".
That's a good idea, an alternate way of completing your bonus set . Now, you could complete your set in one week. Or not complete it in months.
Last week I pugged S&V 3 times with my alts hoping I would get 1 or 2 pieces to complete my main's set. All I got was a power proc relic for my healer. And this were the successful ones. After all that, I'm as close to complete a set as I was at the start.

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Vegabond
06.05.2013 , 02:39 PM | #5
Alts.

Alts get you your gear you need on your main. 69s or Ult comms for 72 mods

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Ocho-Quatro
06.05.2013 , 02:44 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Vegabond View Post
Alts.

Alts get you your gear you need on your main. 69s or Ult comms for 72 mods
The OP (if I understand correctly)... is strictly referring to set bonus pieces. 69 and 72 (Black Market and Verpine) can be obtained pretty darned easy... but the process of praying and hoping you get lucky on /rolls to win Arkanian/Underworld can be a grind.

Also... many guilds/groups get butthurt when you roll for alts.
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lpez
06.06.2013 , 07:09 AM | #7
I've also completed 3 full 69 sets min/max done several ops an TC twice a week, and all I've gotten from the set bonus is a set of boots that my brother got as a repeat drop. I do agree there should be an alternative way to get set bonus.

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Lowyjowylof
06.06.2013 , 07:26 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocho-Quatro View Post
The OP (if I understand correctly)... is strictly referring to set bonus pieces. 69 and 72 (Black Market and Verpine) can be obtained pretty darned easy... but the process of praying and hoping you get lucky on /rolls to win Arkanian/Underworld can be a grind.

Also... many guilds/groups get butthurt when you roll for alts.
This...In our guild runs, it's need if it's an improvement to the character you're using. Then greed or pass if you wish. If we have pugs we set it to ML and inspect them just to make sure they're not rolling for an alt or companion then award to the highest roller.
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Elear
06.06.2013 , 08:53 AM | #9
Your solution is not that good, as it has plenty of space for abusing it.
For example, running also hm halves times required to complete that q, and gives alts that can be geared just by running them triugh 2 ops extra stuff, and that's entirely not point of this thread.

You have 3 pieces of set, run SaV, and lose roll on all 2 things that you want from whole ops. Yep, that hurts. But it's also part of life/game. By enabling players to get thsoe pieces trough alternate way, it really cheapens those pieces as reward.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if access to set bonus should be thing that is so hard to get.


If such quest were to ever appear, it should also require huge amount of comms(equal to weekly cap, or even greater)

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Ocho-Quatro
06.06.2013 , 09:02 AM | #10
What if.......

Black Market gloves cost what... 100 elite coms?

What if you could buy the Arkanian gloves for say, 300 elite coms? Or possible a better solution, and wouldn't make the system too overpowered....

What if you could buy EITHER Verpine non-set-bonus gear, OR Arkanian set-bonus gear with Ultimate coms? (Not Underworld) So say, a set of Verpine Gloves costs 100 ultimate coms, but you could also buy Arkanian Gloves for say.... 150 ultimate coms?

It would give players a method of eventually seeing a guaranteed light at the end of the tunnel, that they can stack coms to get set bonus pieces, even if the RNG gods hate them.

Thoughts?
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