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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 03:08 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Irrelevant argument. Who cares if what you can and can't do in WoW? SWTOR's system is a bit different. Advanced classes are not completely analogous to other game's classes. They share more in common than some classes in WoW's different specs within a class do in some cases.

On the other hand, a lot of other games don't restrict people to a limited number of roles like these games do, allowing you to build whatever focus you wish.
It's not an irrelevant argument. Your class is your class. Your AC is your class. Your basic class is not your class. Changing class is changing class, whether those two classes have a little more in common than two other classes or not.

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Ryluk_Shouja
05.27.2013 , 03:08 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Rankyn View Post
I find it funny that the only argument against this that people have is "I don't want you to change your advanced class."

If there were objections based on serious conflicts like those caused by faction, gender, or base class changes, that would be one thing but I've yet to see any "real" argument for why this shouldn't be something to be implemented.
How about "I don't want you to be able to change your advanced class because healing pugs with dps-geared 'tanks' is bad enough without them being in their leftover other-AC armour?"

Someone a few pages ago made a good point of allowing it up to a certain level. This I am fine with...hit level 30 and realize you want to do the other AC instead. Lots of time to learn your class before 55. But allowing someone to change their class as significantly as an AC swap can be is going to cause a lot of frustration for those of us who don't want to do guild run flashpoints/operations all the time because we like to help the community.

There are legitimate reasons for not wanting an AC swap.

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GGVK
05.27.2013 , 03:09 PM | #53
Why not make it a legacy unlock?
Example: If you have a 50 Sage and a 50 Assassin you can trade ACs. This would allow people to change ACs, but you would have to learn how to play both beforehand.

For me personally, this would allow me to "fix" my flawed ( all my tanks are Imps, all my healers are Pubs) alt plan.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ryluk_Shouja View Post
How about "I don't want you to be able to change your advanced class because healing pugs with dps-geared 'tanks' is bad enough without them being in their leftover other-AC armour?"
Very good point. However, that can just as easily be a problem now with someone switching from a dps spec to a tank spec.

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LordArtemis
05.27.2013 , 03:10 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Once again that quote comes up, as proof that class changes are definitely coming, despite the fact that nowhere in that quote do they say that class changes are definitely coming. The term was not even "probably", it was "likely". You can argue that these two are the synonymous, but they aren't really.

I'm still not convinced that the devs are really even considering adding class changes. I think the devs know that if they come out and state definitely for one side or the other, that it will likely cost them significant subs and income, as the "losing" side will likely see many people leave the game. There are those that feel strongly enough against class changes that if the devs allow them, those players will walk away, never to return or spend another cent on this game. The opposite is also true. There are those who are so opposed to the effort required to level another character, that if they cannot swap AC's they will simply stop playing, as their AC has been nerfed, the other AC buffed or simply because they chose the easy mode leveling and now cannot fill their desired end game role.
I think this is fair. Though the quote definitely INFERS that they are moving in that direction, it is not ironclad IMO, and anything could change between now and then.

So I think it's reasonable to say "we will see when we will see".

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 03:16 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Instead of just saying "No, not going to happen ever" or things like "the only reason people want to do this....." why don't you guys actually try sharing your concerns instead.

I for one am curious as to why this would be such a seriously bad thing to add to the game. I mean it looks like it's coming...just like F2P, market, moddable gear, adaptable gear, appearance kiosk...dyes....all of the things that folks were saying the same things about.

That doesn't mean that your concerns are not important or reputable. I just want to know what they are.
There have been many people who have expressed concerns about being grouped with players who just switched AC's and not having the experience or proper gear for their newly chosen role, for starters.

Maybe those who wish to be able to change class could provide a valid reason for allowing class changes.

This is only my opinion, but I do not consider "my AC got nerfed, or the other AC got buffed, and I want to be the OP AC", "I want to level easy mode and switch at ma level to my chosen end game AC" or "I spent all this real money for CM items for my character" to be valid reasons. The CM argument would have been more valid prior to 2.1, but with the advent of the collections interface, and the ability to make all those CM items account wide, that argument becomes moot, IMO.

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Hizoka
05.27.2013 , 03:18 PM | #56
they have said more then once that AC changes will NEVER happen.

Your AC is your class... what you want is the EXACT same as someone in wow saying they want to go from a priest to a monk.

You pick your story at level 1 you pick your class at level 10 that is how this game is. A Mercenary has little in common with a Powertech other then the story, infact a powertech has more mechanics in common with a jugg then they do with a mercenary.


Now let this post die... all it is doing is proving that most of the playerbase is stupid enough t think that ACs are not your class and they simply want a new toon without doing anything.

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branmakmuffin
05.27.2013 , 03:32 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by spectreclees View Post
This. Why do people think it's okay to switch classes? They really screwed it up when they made the AC's. I knew this would happen. It was however, the only way to make sure each class had it's own story and you could play it from two perspectives.
Not this. Why do people think it's not OK to switch advanced classes? What's it to you what others do?

Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
Now let this post die
Oh, well, since you put it that way, how can people not comply?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ryluk_Shouja View Post
There are legitimate reasons for not wanting an AC swap.
There are certainly legit reasons for not wanting it, but there are none, other than technical ones, for not allowing it.

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LordArtemis
05.27.2013 , 03:34 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
There have been many people who have expressed concerns about being grouped with players who just switched AC's and not having the experience or proper gear for their newly chosen role, for starters.

Maybe those who wish to be able to change class could provide a valid reason for allowing class changes.

This is only my opinion, but I do not consider "my AC got nerfed, or the other AC got buffed, and I want to be the OP AC", "I want to level easy mode and switch at ma level to my chosen end game AC" or "I spent all this real money for CM items for my character" to be valid reasons. The CM argument would have been more valid prior to 2.1, but with the advent of the collections interface, and the ability to make all those CM items account wide, that argument becomes moot, IMO.
Ok, this is a good point, worried that folks will not know how to properly play their class. That sounds to me like a reputable against.

Here is what I consider a reputable for. If people are unhappy with a class they should be able to change to another.

The reason this is reputable is almost every class is disappointing in some way at level 50. Almost all of them...Scoundrels, Mercenaries, Vanguards, Sages, Operatives, Assassins....many have quirks and weakness that do not manifest themselves until you hit end game and start raiding.

These flaws or clunky/awkward mechanics are not prevalent around level 30, but start revealing themselves around level 45.

So...the classes are poorly designed post level 40 IMO. And this is the reason to allow the change. It's either that or you have to reroll JUST so you can make a different AC choice.

So that's my argument for. And I think the argument against I noted is a good one.

Any others?

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Hizoka
05.27.2013 , 03:41 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Not this. Why do people think it's not OK to switch advanced classes? What's it to you what others do?


Oh, well, since you put it that way, how can people not comply?


There are certainly legit reasons for not wanting it, but there are none, other than technical ones, for not allowing it.
you go play a powertech then you play a mercenary... the class have NOTHING in common other then their story the play style is completely difference. There is no reason to ever allow an AC swap other then crybaby little kid wants a free max level toon without earning it. All the ACs are so very different they are not close to the same class, everyone who has placed both options of any base class knows this.

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 03:41 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Not this. Why do people think it's not OK to switch advanced classes? What's it to you what others do?
"I want it and it doesn't affect you, so I should be allowed to have it"? I've never heard that one before. Oh, wait...