ETA on Advanced Class change?

More than one change is multiple times. You cannot argue simple math.

Was that poster asking to be able to change unlimited times? No.

I understand his intent, but my point is we have people arguing to allow them to change class because "I made a mistake", "this class is too weak", "I refuse to level another character" or whatever reason they deem sufficient. We have some of those people asking for restrictions, while trying to leave themselves wiggle room, even in their own proposed restrictions.

If they cannot even refrain from trying to leave themselves wiggle room in their own proposed restrictions, why should I believe that those same people will not be back here 3 months after BW allows class changes (IF they allow class changes) asking for more opportunities to change class because their new class got nerfed, the other class got buffed, their guild now needs a tank and not a healer, or whatever new reason they have for wanting to change class again? After all, they allowed it once, why not a second time?

Never.

Class changing was a massive problem in SWG. I don't want to see it destroy another MMO.

I understand your point. Just as an aside, I wasn't directing my point at you specifically, just keeping it fair in general.

More than one change is multiple times. You cannot argue simple math.

Was that poster asking to be able to change unlimited times? No.

I understand his intent, but my point is we have people arguing to allow them to change class because "I made a mistake", "this class is too weak", "I refuse to level another character" or whatever reason they deem sufficient.

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It's a bit silly that you understood his intent, but decided to focus on semantics and nitpick.

I've debated with you on different subjects in the past, and I know you can present a higher level of discourse than that.

More than one change is multiple times. You cannot argue simple math.

Was that poster asking to be able to change unlimited times? No.

I understand his intent, but my point is we have people arguing to allow them to change class because "I made a mistake", "this class is too weak", "I refuse to level another character" or whatever reason they deem sufficient. We have some of those people asking for restrictions, while trying to leave themselves wiggle room, even in their own proposed restrictions.

If they cannot even refrain from trying to leave themselves wiggle room in their own proposed restrictions, why should I believe that those same people will not be back here 3 months after BW allows class changes (IF they allow class changes) asking for more opportunities to change class because their new class got nerfed, the other class got buffed, their guild now needs a tank and not a healer, or whatever new reason they have for wanting to change class again? After all, they allowed it once, why not a second time?

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If the people who propose restrictions want to leave wiggle room in the very restrictions they propose, then how serious can they really be about those restrictions?

If the people who propose restrictions want to leave wiggle room in the very restrictions they propose, then how serious can they really be about those restrictions?

I think this is a rather black and white view. There are more sides to this argument than:

1. AC respec should never under any circumstances be allowed.
2. AC respec should be allowed any time the player wants it.

It seems as though you are saying that any deviation from #1 means it will end up at #2. Is that correct?

I can only speak for myself. I leave wiggle room because I want to find a proposal that most will agree on, then see if I can throw in my support. I have no hidden agenda nor would I intend, if I do support the idea, to come back and ask for further changes.

Some of my favorite contentions made from what I consider the hardcore players crowd. Yet those changes came to be. And the game is better for it IMO. It is just plain silly, as it was then, to contend that reroll is the only option that makes sense. It is a cop out that I believe folks use when they simply do not like an idea.

If the past is any indicator, at least with the staff in place at present it seems it is a contention that is usually ignored.