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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Mozepy
05.21.2014 , 03:20 PM | #5021
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
So, using your example of player housing, I guess if there were two or three games in development, or close to release, that would allow you to change your CLASS willy nilly, then we could see a sudden announcement that they will be developing a way to allow class changes.
Changing advanced class is a far cry from changing your "CLASS willy nilly". You are just being silly there. There is a wider variation within an advanced class than there is between a pair of advanced classes specced in the same tree or even same role trees. Comparisons to most other games' classes are sloppy at best.

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Vhaegrant
05.21.2014 , 03:31 PM | #5022
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Allow me to quote you:
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
Let's not confuse the term Class, Advanced Class, Specialisation and Role any more than we need to
IMO, the three groups would be:

Group 1 STORY
Group 2 CLASS (advanced class)
Group 3 SPEC
You can quote me any time you like, but at least I use the same definitions with regards to Class, Advanced Class, Specialisation and Role that SWTOR actually does. It helps tremendously in a discussion if you use the terms with regards to the game at hand and not as some other game (you seem to use World of Warcraft a lot) defines it.
You've been given a link to SWTOR classes on numerous occasions, I guess once more wouldn't hurt

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Ratajack
05.21.2014 , 03:36 PM | #5023
Quote: Originally Posted by Mozepy View Post
Changing advanced class is a far cry from changing your "CLASS willy nilly". You are just being silly there. There is a wider variation within an advanced class than there is between a pair of advanced classes specced in the same tree or even same role trees. Comparisons to most other games' classes are sloppy at best.
EVERY assassin can stealth. NO sorcerer can.
Assassins are MELEE tank and DPS. Sorcerers are RANGED DPS and heals.

EVERY operative can stealth. NO sniper can.

Those seems to be a pretty BIG differences right there.

In fact, the assassin being a melee ranged stealth class is an AWFUL lot like WoW's rogue and the sorcerer being RANGED DPS and heals seems an AWFUL lot like WoW's priest.

I guess those similarities are meaningless since YOU declared them to be "sloppy at best".

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Ratajack
05.21.2014 , 03:41 PM | #5024
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
You can quote me any time you like, but at least I use the same definitions with regards to Class, Advanced Class, Specialisation and Role that SWTOR actually does. It helps tremendously in a discussion if you use the terms with regards to the game at hand and not as some other game (you seem to use World of Warcraft a lot) defines it.
You've been given a link to SWTOR classes on numerous occasions, I guess once more wouldn't hurt

You been shown more than once that that page lists the story classes. You been asked more than once how your class is listed IN GAME, but I guess once more wouldn't hurt.

What does your guild roster( the in game documentation) list as your CLASS?

In fact, I dare you to provide a screen shot of your guild roster. You won't, though, because it would definitively list the vast majority of the member's CLASSES as mercenary, powertech, sniper, operative, gunslinger, scoundrel, commando, vanguard, etc.

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Vhaegrant
05.21.2014 , 03:45 PM | #5025
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
In fact, the assassin being a melee ranged stealth class is an AWFUL lot like WoW's rogue and the sorcerer being RANGED DPS and heals seems an AWFUL lot like WoW's priest.
To continue your example, how many class quests do Rogues and Priests share? How many companions do they share? Do Rogues and Priests share a specialisation tree? Does unlocking a Priest give the same class buff as the Rogue? How many core class abilities do they share?

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LordArtemis
05.21.2014 , 03:48 PM | #5026
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You been shown more than once that that page lists the story classes. You been asked more than once how your class is listed IN GAME, but I guess once more wouldn't hurt.

What does your guild roster( the in game documentation) list as your CLASS?

In fact, I dare you to provide a screen shot of your guild roster. You won't, though, because it would definitively list the vast majority of the member's CLASSES as mercenary, powertech, sniper, operative, gunslinger, scoundrel, commando, vanguard, etc.
Keep in mind that one could contend that even Bioware has created confusion with respect to what ACs actually represent in the game, as multiple quotes posted in this thread as well as official sources have clearly demonstrated.

I think it's more likely that ACs are not considered classes in their own right, or more accurately no one at Bioware actually KNOWS how to define what your AC actually represents. Devs have presented one conflicting and confusing opinion after another, even opposing their own prior opinions on the subject.

To me it feels like a class, though it is a pretty weak class distinction IMO. That goes to bad design.

I just want them to be clear on the matter once and for all, one way or another, as you well know.

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Vhaegrant
05.21.2014 , 03:54 PM | #5027
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You been shown more than once that that page lists the story classes. You been asked more than once how your class is listed IN GAME, but I guess once more wouldn't hurt.
When you create your character you are asked to select a Class.
When you go to a Class trainer to level up abilities they list Class and Advanced Class on separate tabs.
When you unlock companions in game it is by Class.
When you unlock heroic moment buff it is by Class.
When you unlock the Class Buff it is by Class.
When you want to show off with legacy unlock emotes it is by Class.
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What does your guild roster( the in game documentation) list as your CLASS?
It depends what their level is, those lower guildies are listed by their Class, those higher than 10+ are listed by their Advanced Class.
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
In fact, I dare you to provide a screen shot of your guild roster. You won't, though, because it would definitively list the vast majority of the member's CLASSES as mercenary, powertech, sniper, operative, gunslinger, scoundrel, commando, vanguard, etc.
I'm not in any guilds at the moment so that would be kind of hard

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Mozepy
05.21.2014 , 04:01 PM | #5028
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
EVERY assassin can stealth. NO sorcerer can.
Assassins are MELEE tank and DPS. Sorcerers are RANGED DPS and heals.

EVERY operative can stealth. NO sniper can.

Those seems to be a pretty BIG differences right there.

In fact, the assassin being a melee ranged stealth class is an AWFUL lot like WoW's rogue and the sorcerer being RANGED DPS and heals seems an AWFUL lot like WoW's priest.

I guess those similarities are meaningless since YOU declared them to be "sloppy at best".
That was very sloppy. Shall we discuss the list of similarities between an Assassin and a Sorcerer and the lack of similarities between a rogue and priest? WoW has nothing like the advanced class system that SWTOR has. Do you even play this game?

The variety of gameplay within the Scoundrel AC is wider than the difference between a DF Scoundrel and a DF GS. Yet people can respec from Sawbones to DF whenever they like. How is learning another AC an issue when learning a spec within your own AC can be a bigger leap?

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Khevar
05.21.2014 , 04:05 PM | #5029
Some day, someone will bring a new argument to this thread that hasn't be re-hashed about 50 times already.

But today is not that day.

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LordArtemis
05.21.2014 , 04:10 PM | #5030
I would agree, in some cases there is a larger difference in spec than there is in AC...one of my complaints about the design.