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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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SW_display_name
05.27.2013 , 02:09 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Tweaked View Post
Yeah.... they've ALWAYS said "Not gonna happen", "Never" and "no" when asked about this.
I don't want to be insensitive, in case you have a reading-comprehension disability. So I'd just like to politely encourage you to find outside help to read you the OP, especially the giant quote box where the lead developer says "Yes, that will probably happen".

Quote: Originally Posted by aVmuse View Post
No, get this stupid notion out of your head. You are not going to be able to pay for your rerolling to the next fotm.
Let's think about your claim.

We'll begin with the generous assumption that every month, 1 of 8 classes becomes the new "flavor". We'll also assume that each class has an equal chance of becoming this flavor and ignore similarities between 2 same-class ACs which can also lead to similar weaknesses in the current metagame.

Since you are already one class, you have a 12.5% chance of not even needing to AC change! So we can discard 1 class because that's you (wave at the camera!) and you might be lucky and become OP for a month!

Thus, we'll decide that there are 7 other classes that might become more powerful and appealing to you than your current class, every month.

You can AC change to exactly one of them.

Thus, you have a 14.29% chance of being able to impulsively become the new FotM class every month, while retaining about 25-30% of the same skills and tools you would have had if you didn't change.

I am sceptical that this is a significant or gamebreaking development.

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MidichIorian
05.27.2013 , 02:13 PM | #42
Would be cool but I would be satisfied with being able to use a double LS on my sage and sorc

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 02:22 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by SW_display_name View Post
I don't want to be insensitive, in case you have a reading-comprehension disability. So I'd just like to politely encourage you to find outside help to read you the OP, especially the giant quote box where the lead developer says "Yes, that will probably happen".

Let's think about your claim.

We'll begin with the generous assumption that every month, 1 of 8 classes becomes the new "flavor". We'll also assume that each class has an equal chance of becoming this flavor and ignore similarities between 2 same-class ACs which can also lead to similar weaknesses in the current metagame.

Since you are already one class, you have a 12.5% chance of not even needing to AC change! So we can discard 1 class because that's you (wave at the camera!) and you might be lucky and become OP for a month!

Thus, we'll decide that there are 7 other classes that might become more powerful and appealing to you than your current class, every month.

You can AC change to exactly one of them.

Thus, you have a 14.29% chance of being able to impulsively become the new FotM class every month, while retaining about 25-30% of the same skills and tools you would have had if you didn't change.

I am sceptical that this is a significant or gamebreaking development.
Once again that quote comes up, as proof that class changes are definitely coming, despite the fact that nowhere in that quote do they say that class changes are definitely coming. The term was not even "probably", it was "likely". You can argue that these two are the synonymous, but they aren't really.

I'm still not convinced that the devs are really even considering adding class changes. I think the devs know that if they come out and state definitely for one side or the other, that it will likely cost them significant subs and income, as the "losing" side will likely see many people leave the game. There are those that feel strongly enough against class changes that if the devs allow them, those players will walk away, never to return or spend another cent on this game. The opposite is also true. There are those who are so opposed to the effort required to level another character, that if they cannot swap AC's they will simply stop playing, as their AC has been nerfed, the other AC buffed or simply because they chose the easy mode leveling and now cannot fill their desired end game role.

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SW_display_name
05.27.2013 , 02:25 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I'm still not convinced that the devs are really even considering adding class changes. I think the devs know that if they come out and state definitely for one side or the other, that it will likely cost them significant subs and income, as the "losing" side will likely see many people leave the game. There are those that feel strongly enough against class changes that if the devs allow them, those players will walk away, never to return or spend another cent on this game.
Why on earth does someone else AC changing upset you enough to stop playing a game you're otherwise enjoying?

It sounds more like you're just unhappy and ready to move on, and looking for an excuse to do it.

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Rankyn
05.27.2013 , 02:30 PM | #45
I find it funny that the only argument against this that people have is "I don't want you to change your advanced class."

If there were objections based on serious conflicts like those caused by faction, gender, or base class changes, that would be one thing but I've yet to see any "real" argument for why this shouldn't be something to be implemented.

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 02:45 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by SW_display_name View Post
Why on earth does someone else AC changing upset you enough to stop playing a game you're otherwise enjoying?

It sounds more like you're just unhappy and ready to move on, and looking for an excuse to do it.
Why is it when people want something and want it handed tot hem without effort, that they fall back on the "I want it and it won't affect you, so I should be able to have it".

It's not like every player isn't given plenty of opportunity to change their minds before making the PERMANENT choice of AC, and every player is told that once you choose an AC there is NO going back.

Even if they charge CC's, it's still handing out class changes as that person did not put any effort into leveling that new class. Some people realize that if they simply hand out class changes then those people who choose to level up in easy mode then switch to their preferred end game AC, or who simply wish to be the OP AC will likely have no clue how to play that new AC. You may say that you are uber leet and you can learn in 10 minutes, but even if that were true, you would be among the minority.

Some also feel that selling class changes is also simply one step closer to P2W.

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Ratajack
05.27.2013 , 02:47 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Rankyn View Post
I find it funny that the only argument against this that people have is "I don't want you to change your advanced class."

If there were objections based on serious conflicts like those caused by faction, gender, or base class changes, that would be one thing but I've yet to see any "real" argument for why this shouldn't be something to be implemented.
It's a class change. Can you change from a rogue to a priest in that other game? Can you change from a rogue to a hunter in that other game? Can you change from a ranger to an elementalist in the newer game? Why would you expect people to be ok with allowing class changes in this game?

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astrobearx
05.27.2013 , 02:59 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Achislett View Post
Changing your advanced class I do not agree with. What I would like to see is the ability to change talent trees on the fly.
we have that:its called field respec
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chuixupu
05.27.2013 , 02:59 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
It's a class change. Can you change from a rogue to a priest in that other game? Can you change from a rogue to a hunter in that other game?
Irrelevant argument. Who cares if what you can and can't do in WoW? SWTOR's system is a bit different. Advanced classes are not completely analogous to other game's classes. They share more in common than some classes in WoW's different specs within a class do in some cases.

On the other hand, a lot of other games don't restrict people to a limited number of roles like these games do, allowing you to build whatever focus you wish.
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LordArtemis
05.27.2013 , 03:04 PM | #50
Instead of just saying "No, not going to happen ever" or things like "the only reason people want to do this....." why don't you guys actually try sharing your concerns instead.

I for one am curious as to why this would be such a seriously bad thing to add to the game. I mean it looks like it's coming...just like F2P, market, moddable gear, adaptable gear, appearance kiosk...dyes....all of the things that folks were saying the same things about.

That doesn't mean that your concerns are not important or reputable. I just want to know what they are.